CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 30
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Pumpkin
by LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
2) Re: Pumpkin
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
3) Re: Common Bond
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
4) Re: Missing Link
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
5) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
6) Cushing's web page
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
7) Urination
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
8) Re: Urination
by floyd@zianet.com
9) Re: Urination
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
10) Re: Urination
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
11) Re: Missing Link
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
12) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
13) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
14) Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
15) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
16) Re: Update
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
17) Re: Update
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
18) Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
19) Uncontrolled
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
20) Borderline diagnosis
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
21) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
22) lysodren/high fat diet
by David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
23) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
24) Re: Update
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
25) Re: Borderline diagnosis
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
26) Re: Cushing's web page
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
27) Cushing's: high-fat diets
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
28) Re: Cushing's: high-fat diets
by floyd@zianet.com
29) Re: Uncontrolled
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
30) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
31) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
33) Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
34) Tornadoes
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
35) "Maggie"
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
36) Re: Update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
37) Re: Tornadoes
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
38) Re: Uncontrolled
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
39) Brittiany
by Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
40) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
41) Re: Update
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
42) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
43) Re: Brittiany
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
44) Coping?
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
45) Re: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
46) Re: Coping?
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
47) Small World!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
48) Anti Oxidants
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
49) Another Mistake!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
50) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
51) Re: Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
52) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
53) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
54) Re: Coping?
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
55) Re: Coping?
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
56) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
57) Re: Anti Oxidants
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
58) Re: Research
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
59) Re: Anti Oxidants
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
60) Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
61) Re: lysodren/high fat diet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
62) Re: Coping?
by floyd@zianet.com
63) Cushings and Diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
64) Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
65) Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
66) Cushings & Diabetes
by Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
67) Re: Small World!
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
68) New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: Update
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
70) Hair colour
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
71) Re: Mollie Bear
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
72) Re: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
by floyd@zianet.com
73) Re: Cushings & Diabetes
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
74) Re: Research
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
75) Research Foundation
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
76) Hair Regrowth
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
77) Re: Mollie Bear
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
78) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
79) Re: Mollie Bear
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
80) Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
81) Re: Hair Regrowth
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
82) Re: Hair colour
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
83)
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
84) Re: Greyhound
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
85) Re: Hair Regrowth
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
86) Re: Mollie Bear
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
87) Re: Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
88) Re: Mollie Bear
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
89) Re: Update
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
90) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
91) Re: Hair Regrowth
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
92) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
93) Re: Cushings & Diabetes
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
94) Re: Hair colour
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
95) Giving medications
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
96) Pills
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
97) I do not see any postings
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
98) Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
99) Re: I do not see any postings
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
100) Re: I do not see any postings
by Debthg <Debthg@aol.com>
101) Re: I do not see any postings
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
102) Re: I do not see any postings
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
103) Re: Brittiany
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
104) Little Secret
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
105) Crossbreeds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
106) Vaccinations
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
107) Hair Regrowth
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
108) Hair Color
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
109) Another Update
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
110) More pill camouflage
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
111) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
112) Re: Mollie Bear
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
113) Prayers
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
114) Re: Mollie Bear
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
115) Re: Another Update
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
116) Re: More pill camouflage
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
117) Re: More pill camouflage
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
118) Cushing's Gallery Additions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
119) Brittiany
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
120) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
121) Pet Gallery
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
122) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
123) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
124) Missing Link
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
125) [Fwd: Re: price list for missing link for canines]
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
126) Cushing's: Missing Link
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
127) Re: Cushing's Gallery Additions
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
128) Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
129) Hair
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
130) Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
131) Hair
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
132) test results
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
133) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
134) Here We Go Again!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
135) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
136) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
137) Re: test results
by HD Bliley <hbliley@erols.com>
138) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
139) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
140) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
141) Re: Little Secret
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
142) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings
by Daniel Klein <dklein@li.net>
143) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
144) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
145) Staph
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
146) Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
by Jane Goldman <jane@mail.well.com>
147) Dudley Cushings
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
148) Downunder Query
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
149) Cushings and Epilepsy
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
150) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
151) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
152) Re: Mollie Bear
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
153) Re: More pill camouflage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
154) Re: Brittiany
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
155) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
156) Re: Hiding Pills
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
157) Re: Here We Go Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
158) Re: Here We Go Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
159) Food
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
160) Brittiany
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
161) Re: Downunder Query
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
162) Re: Cushings and Epilepsy
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
163) Re: Food
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
164) Re: Food
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
165) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
166) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
167) Re: Food
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
168) Re: Dudley Cushings
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
169) Re: More pill camouflage
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
170) Re: More pill camouflage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:25:36 EDT
From: LynneYoung <LynneYoung@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pumpkin
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OUr shelties have been getting canned pumpkin in their dinner for 4 yrs
now..
including our cushings dog "Heaven"...shelties have been given
labradors
stomachs, and with or without cushings will eat themselves into
oblivion...Chris Zink "the canine athlete vet recommended it at Camp
Gone to
the Dogs back then and I think it helps keep their stools firm, and give
fibre
and betacaratene...enjoy pups!.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:18:47 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pumpkin
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On Apr 11, 7:02pm, L Boyce wrote:
> Subject: Pumpkin
> Dillon...
>
> Went out today and bought a can of pumpkin to see if Schonus would
like
> it....I wish I had my camera ready so I could have taken a pic to send
> to you....I only put a little on a dish to see if he liked it....he
got
> more on his face than what he ate! It went flying everywhere...he
loved
> it!!!
>
> Linda and Schonus says "WOOFEROO"!
>
>-- End of excerpt from L Boyce
Brought a smile to my face. I can just imagine it :-)
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:14:15 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Common Bond
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I'm sure it has been published very often, but how do I get to the
Cushing's Web page that you mention?
Thank you.
Sue O.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:22:45 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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I just started adding Missing Link to my 2 mini schnauzers food (one
has
Cushing's) and I have a dumb question. I feed my two dry kibble, do you
sprinkle it on like it is or do you mix it with a little water or broth
first? Storing it in a sealed container is a great idea - I would think
the bag would be a nuisance after awhile.
Thanks for your help.
Sue O., Ginger and Riker
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:48:20 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Missing Link
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I use Flint River Ranch dog food, both the kibble and the "Dry Water",
so my
dog's food is moist anyway. I would think that wetting the food a bit
would
ensure that they get all of the powder.
If it takes you a long time to use a bag of Missing Link, I would suggest
not
only a sealed container, but also refridgeration. I keep mine in a big
instant coffee jar in the fridge.
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:55:20 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's web page
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The Cushing's Web page is located at:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/
I'm doing some major behind the scenes revising of the page right now,
so
please feel free to send in any pictures, stories, articles, or other great
suggestions so that they can be incorporated into the new, improved pages.
If any of you are graphic artists (computer or otherwise), we could really
use a snazzy logo for our little group. Anyone up to the challenge?
-Leslie
At 09:14 AM 4/13/98 -0500, SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:
>I'm sure it has been published very often, but how do I get to the
>Cushing's Web page that you mention?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Sue O.
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:35:45 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: siniard-rc@fhssmtp.redstone.army.mil
Subject: Urination
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Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the time
is
flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her on
500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee, then
off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to go
15
times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a culture
done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that is
why
they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:06:35 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Urination
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Jackie Siniard wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the
time is
> flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her
on
> 500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
> question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
> problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
> yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee,
then
> off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
> times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had
a culture
> done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
> apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
> they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
> problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
>
> Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
> worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
> Jacqueline P. Siniard
> Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
> The University of Alabama in Huntsville
> Materials Science Building Room C206
> Huntsville, Alabama 35899
> ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
> e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
Jackie,
i understand that bladder infections are common in cushing babies, since
their immune system is compromised. Cybil gets 1000 mg of vitamin C
daily, one of the reasons being that it acidifies the urine and helps
avoid bladder problems. might ask your vet.
Patti & Cybil
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:39:39 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: siniard-rc@fhssmtp.redstone.army.mil
Subject: Re: Urination
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At 11:35 AM 4/13/98 -0500, Jackie Siniard wrote:
> Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee, then
>off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
>times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a
culture
>done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
>apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
>they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
>problem.
Missy had this same problem, trying to pee seemingly a dozen times each
time she went out. We never did really pursue it, though.
>From what I understand, urinary tract infections are pretty common
in
Cushinoid pups, and having had a UTI myself, I can tell you that my
behavior was a lot like what you see Sunny doing! ;-) With humans, the
treatment is antibiotics--probably the same thing for pups.
Give Sunny a good nuzzling for me,
-Leslie
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:23:02 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Urination
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>Hello everyone, we hope you all had a wonderful Easter, my how the
time is
>flying by. Sunny did not have good stim results, but we now have her
on
>500mg M/W/F for the next 3 weeks and then we will do another stim test,
my
>question to all of you today is do any of your babies have a urination
>problem, this does not happen every day mind you, maybe every 5-6 weeks,
>yesterday this happened, Sunny was outside and did her normal pee pee,
then
>off she would go again, and again, in the end my poor child tried to
go 15
>times, then later on she acted as if nothing had happened. We had a
culture
>done at Auburn on her bladder and they said there was nothing growing,
>apparently Cushings dogs do get things growing in there bladders that
is why
>they have to be checked ever so often, but anyway, has anyone had this
>problem. Love to all the babies, Jackie and Sunny, Randy and Saphir
>
>Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
>worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
>
>Jacqueline P. Siniard
>Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
>e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
We kind of wonder sometimes if Penny can turn it off. She has had 1 bladder
infection that developed very quickly-2 days after she saw the vet. She
had
an accident in the house and there was blood in it. I knew what that meant
so I called the vet and they got her in within the half hour and got her
right on antibiotics. She hasn't had one since then.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:32:56 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Thank you. I also feed my two Flint River Ranch kibble. The Missing
Link
bag says on it to refrigerate after opening, so I have already done that.
My dogs have beards and I could just imagine that powder all over their
beards, floor, furniture, etc. I think you get the picture. (grin).
Sue O.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:28:10 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Hi Everyone.
Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on his
belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he was
placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was a
good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd be
looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what it
was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
name!
Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:46:08 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Hi Everyone.
>
>Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
>been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
>antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
>healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on
his
>belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
>
>This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
>the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he
was
>placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
>have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
>do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
>tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was
a
>good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd
be
>looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
>one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
>
>Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
>area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what
it
>was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
>name!
>
>Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
>
>Linda & Schonus
Will be praying that this is the end of all the terrible health for your
baby and things improve quickly!
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:56:05 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Update
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Toni...
Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
out" why they are moaning, etc.
It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
Linda
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:07:07 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Toni...
>
>Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
>"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
>we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
>out" why they are moaning, etc.
>
>It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
>antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
>belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
>
>Linda
We just had a serious set back with Penny that we had to sort out. Thank
God we have a great vet. We don't start the heartworm until next month.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:29:17 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Poor Schonus, what an ordeal he's had to go through. I bet you're getting
to be just about the best pill-pusher around, Linda ;-) I'm really
cheering for Schonus--I've grown so fond of him from reading your updates.
Also, his face on the gallery page is so sweet and funny. He makes me
smile whenever I see his picture.
I sure remember how hard it was to balance Missy's medications, just
as you
describe for Schonus. I especially remember one time when we didn't do
it
well at all: we had given Missy her weekly Lysodren and, per the vet's
recommendation, also gave her a little (human prescription) cough syrup
for
her pain (can't remember exactly what it was, but I believe it was
narcotic). Boy oh boy was she messed up! Poor thing couldn't keep her
eyes open. She'd fall asleep sitting up with her little tongue hanging
out
just a bit. It was just like I remember experiencing in a particularly
boring class at school--her head would droop until her chin hit the floor
and she'd wake up. I suppose I shouldn't laugh about it because the
outcome of the mix could've been *really* bad, but it was pretty comical
to
watch.
Hope Schonus' infections clear up soon and without surgery!
-Leslie
At 06:56 PM 4/13/98 -0300, L Boyce wrote:
>Toni...
>
>Thanx so much! It sure does feel good to have a place to come to to
>"let it all out". Sometimes I wish so much our "babies"
could talk so
>we could get medical help for them faster instead of trying to "figure
>out" why they are moaning, etc.
>
>It sure is getting hard trying to spread out Heartworm pills,
>antibiotics, Lysodren, etc over a 24 hour period and not upset his
>belly! We'll just keep "plugging"!!
>
>Linda
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:31:15 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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The calcium deposit in the skin is called "Calcinotis Cutis"........
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:35:15 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Mollie Bear
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Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the info.
I've
been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm off to
a
vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm afraid
it won't be.
Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr old
keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back from
a
"summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking tons
of
water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing and
she
barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up a notch.
And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
around).
Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so there
are
no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something good
in
this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be on a
high
fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along with
her
dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet. Would
the
flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:51:33 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Uncontrolled
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Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and was
under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot until
after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back as
thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat under
control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago she
started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving me
crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose mid
week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with no
better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has had
them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse. She
is
also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She is
my
constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with keeping
the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
next? Linda & C.B.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:24:02 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Borderline diagnosis
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Hello to all on the list,
My name is Wendy and my 9 yr old Yorkie, Muffin, has been in and out
of
the vet's over the last month. I took her in for a geriatric check up
and was floored to hear she had very high alk-phos readings on her liver
screen. Everything else was normal except that her blood was very
lipimic. We're still not sure if that's her normal situation or if it's
something abnormal. The vet put her on the Hills k/d diet to see if
that would bring her alk-phos values down, but that diet gave her a
pancreatitis attack which was treated with hospitilization and IV fluids
for 4 days. Then she was changed to d/d, but the vet said her lipase
level was still high and thought she might have a pancreas or liver
tumor. Meanwhile, her low-dose dex test came back borderline.
We rushed her to the U of MN vet teaching hospital (6 hr drive) because
our vet was so worried about her continued high lipase levels. It
turned out the levels weren't abnormally high, but my local vet's lab
couldn't handle her lipimic blood. While Muffin was at the hospital, we
went through with having an ultrasound of her liver, spleen, pancreas
and adrenals (a procedure not available locally). Besides the liver
being slightly enlarged, all were normal, especially the adrenals. The
liver was biopsied to see if there were any Cushinoid changes or
anything else to explain the high alk-phos levels. They also did a new
low-dose dex test which came back borderline again. The biopsy results
point towards a possible small liver shunt. Enough to make things hard
for her liver, but sub-clinical. No signs of Cushinoid changes. She's
now on r/d diet to try to avoid both Cushings and calm her liver.
Now you've got our history as it stands. Does anyone have any
experience with this early stage with a borderline Cushing's diagnosis?
Is there any way of knowing when or if she'll develop full-blown
Cushing's? Have any of you had to deal with pancreatitis in your pups
that was attributed to Cushing's? The vet at U of MN have said there's
no treatment indicated at this early stage since she's sub-clinical and
her test results are borderline. All they can recommend is that she
stay on the r/d diet for both the Cushing's and her liver, and have the
test redone in 6 months. It's not that I'm wanting to start treatment
yet, but would like to know if anyone else has been where we are now.
Sorry for the length. I've been reading the list for a couple of weeks
now and am so thrilled to have a forum to voice questions and concerns
with people who have been there.
Thanks,
Wendy & Muffin
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:37:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Debbie,
I used to live in Cheyenne and took my dog to the University of Colorado
Veterinary Clinic in Fort Collins. I heartily recommend them! I know just
what you mean about the vets, very much my experience, too, but we have
to
fight for our babies, don't we?
I just met a young woman of 32 yrs. who has an inoperable pituitary tumor.
I know my mouth dropped open when she told me! Whoa, you have CUSHINGS?
Anyway, she thinks that a severe trauma to the head (a brain-damaged
former student of hers rapped her on the temple with a roll of dimes)
caused the tumor to form. She has apparently been to numerous specialists,
none of whom can help her. She said she has terrible migraine headaches,
which makes me wonder if our dogs are suffering; and she also has wild
fluctuations in weight, gaining 40-50 lbs. easily (she was very thin
today).
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier (I put a carrot under my pillow
and wen I
got up it was Easter and my 8th birfdai and the Easter bunny had taken the
carrot and lef a bonie fer me)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, DLowder25 wrote:
> Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the
info. I've
> been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm
off to a
> vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm
afraid
> it won't be.
> Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr
old
> keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
> the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back
from a
> "summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
> killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
> My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
> This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking
tons of
> water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
> doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing
and she
> barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up
a notch.
> And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
> around).
> Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so
there are
> no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something
good in
> this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
> Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be
on a high
> fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
> that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along
with her
> dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet.
Would the
> flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
> Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:01:31 -0600
From: David & Irene Scott <dgscott@frontier.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: lysodren/high fat diet
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Debbie,
I found nothing in the literature about a high fat diet aiding the
absorption of Lysodren. Perhaps the vet is looking to offset some of the
terrible gastro side effects (??? I'm guessing, or the vet is). With an
overweight dog to begin with it doesn't make sense, you may want to
reconfirm with the vet, and ask the reason.
Dave & Feisal
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:25:31 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake of
fat. We
sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
Dave Bruyette, DVM
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:14:28 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Hello everyone!
I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a dry
erase calendar (
a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door. Whenever
we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given. Each
dog
has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure it
out
when I am away!
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:34:20 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Borderline diagnosis
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Wendy:
I have had a dog with a portosystemic shunt and I always found that
her liver
enzymes were high and the her serum lipemic. The test I found most useful
in
monitoring her status was a blood ammonia. As far as avoiding Cushing's....I
don't know that there is a way to do that......I sure wish there were...for
all of us.
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:52:44 EDT
From: DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's web page
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Leslie,
Am overloaded at moment but I am a graphic designer and would be happy
to come
up with a couple of logos for you to see as soon as possible..
Susan Genden
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:52:53 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's: high-fat diets
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Following up on Debbie and Dr. Bruyette's messages::
Although I see the logic in aiding Lysodren absorption, the idea of feeding
high-fat diets to Cushinoid dogs still scares me, given their heightened
vulnerability to pancreatitis. As more than a handful of us have learned
the hard way, pancreatitis is a lot more dangerous in the short-term than
Cushing's....
Thoughts anyone? Is there something I'm missing?
-Leslie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:20:32 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's: high-fat diets
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Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
> Following up on Debbie and Dr. Bruyette's messages::
>
> Although I see the logic in aiding Lysodren absorption, the idea of
feeding
> high-fat diets to Cushinoid dogs still scares me, given their heightened
> vulnerability to pancreatitis. As more than a handful of us have learned
> the hard way, pancreatitis is a lot more dangerous in the short-term
than
> Cushing's....
>
> Thoughts anyone? Is there something I'm missing?
>
> -Leslie
the high fat diet also bothers me. in addition, fat is more difficult
to digest and puts more stress on the kidneys, which is one of the
reasons i have had Cybil on a low fat, home made diet since she was
first diagnosed. in some of the material i read early on about
cushings, though, i did notice that some literature said a diet high in
protein was good, which i did not understand. anyway, the low fat, low
protein diet cybil is on has helped reduce her weight a little without
any medication. just my thoughts and experience.
Cybil and Patti
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:03:40 -0700
From: kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Uncontrolled
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Linda Wargon wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
> year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and
was
> under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
> panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot
until
> after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back
as
> thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat
under
> control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
> dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago
she
> started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving
me
> crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose
mid
> week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
> loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with
no
> better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has
had
> them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse.
She is
> also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She
is my
> constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
> I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with
keeping
> the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
> next? Linda & C.B.
Hi Linda-- CB sounds exactly like my Gucci! I feel for both of you. I
know what it like to not get any sleep for days on end because of the
pacing and panting. And even now Gucci follows me everywhere but she
isn't as frantic. My vet went with Anapryl rather than Lysodrin. It took
about 3 weeks for the Gooch to even out. She's on 30mg a day now. My vet
also put her on 10mg of valium twice a day (she's a 40lb Shar-pei) to
keep her from being so anxious in my absences. She actually kept
climbing our chain link fence in an attempt to find me before we started
the valium! We're dealing with canine cognitive dysfunction also (she's
12 years old) so it's more than just Cushings. Check it out with your
vet, and good luck! :-)
Ripley, Gucci and Cole
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:39:26 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 13, 9:01pm, David & Irene Scott wrote:
> Subject: lysodren/high fat diet
> Debbie,
> I found nothing in the literature about a high fat diet aiding the
> absorption of Lysodren. Perhaps the vet is looking to offset some
of the
> terrible gastro side effects (??? I'm guessing, or the vet is). With
an
> overweight dog to begin with it doesn't make sense, you may want to
> reconfirm with the vet, and ask the reason.
> Dave & Feisal
>
>-- End of excerpt from David & Irene Scott
In addition, with a geriatric dog, you are also looking at potential
pancreatic
problems.
A _small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut butter)
might
help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:43:17 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 14, 1:25am, Adrenal wrote:
> Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake
of fat. We
> sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
>
> Dave Bruyette, DVM
>-- End of excerpt from Adrenal
But do you advocate a "diet high in fat" or just some additional
fat with the
dose?
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:43:56 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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Oh yes, thank you for joining us.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:51:59 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
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We used a couple of those "seven days of drugs" boxes, one
for morning and one
for evening. I would set them up for a week at a time, and when we travled,
my
sister (pet sitter extraordinare) could give out meds without having to
learn
the new schedule.
On Apr 14, 8:14am, LisaVann wrote:
> Subject: Re: Update
> Hello everyone!
>
> I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
> get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a
dry erase calendar
(
> a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door.
Whenever
> we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given.
Each dog
> has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
> medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure
it out
> when I am away!
>
> Lisa
>-- End of excerpt from LisaVann
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
"G'kar, you are most appreciated by your absence.
Perhaps you should be appreciated more". Lando Molari
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:24:37 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tornadoes
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Glad to hear Jackie, Randy, Lois, Jean and babies survived the nightmare.
Leslie--from your address list, can you tell if that accounts for everyone
in
the Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina pathway?
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:27:53 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: "Maggie"
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Lia,
Good to hear from you and Maggie and that you both are hanging in there.
It's a tough load you have, but know we are rooting for you as you reach
the
end of your semester. You have all our good wishes for success and blessings
and hugs to Maggie. (Her poops are better "out" than "in"
unless, of course,
she has diarrhea.)
Best regards,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:34:57 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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Hi Linda and Schonus, boy we are sorry to hear of all the problems poor
Schonus is having, his body so full of antibiotics, he will be rattling
soon, give him a big big hug from Sunny and Saphir, let him know that we
all
love him. Jackie and Randy
At 06:28 PM 4/13/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi Everyone.
>
>Boy, you wanna talk about infections! For the past three months we've
>been battling a staph infection in Schonus' paws. Went thru a gazillon
>antibiotics and finally found something that worked. That started
>healing up and then whamo....an ear infection and a patch of skin on
his
>belly looked like it was infected. More antibiotics!
>
>This morning he started to dig at his ear and moaned terribly. Called
>the Vet and now we find out both of his ears are so infected that he
was
>placed on MORE antibiotics and if it doesn't work in 10 days, they will
>have to puncture the tympanic membrane....kinda like the procedure they
>do on a child when they have persistent ear infections and insert
>tubes...they do the same procedure only no tubes. The Vet said it was
a
>good thing that it wasn't on the other side of the ear as then we'd
be
>looking at meningitis, etc. It was only 10 days ago when it was only
>one ear and now it's gotten to this point!
>
>Also found out today that the patch of red skin was not an infected
>area. It's an area of calcium deposit. Forget the exact name what
it
>was called....heck..at this point I'm lucky if I can remember my own
>name!
>
>Hope all is well with everyone and thanks for listening!
>
>Linda & Schonus
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:46:30 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Tornadoes
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Tom-
The best I can tell from my perusal of the list, all folks from the
tornados' path have responded.
If you'd like to see the subscribers list yourself, send e-mail to
<listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu> with the following message in the
body:
recipients cushings-pets
--
My thoughts are with everyone who had to endure such a devastating example
of nature's wrath!
-Leslie
At 02:24 PM 4/14/98 +0000, Tom White wrote:
>Glad to hear Jackie, Randy, Lois, Jean and babies survived the nightmare.
>
>Leslie--from your address list, can you tell if that accounts for everyone
in
>the Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina pathway?
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:46:18 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Uncontrolled
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Welcome Linda and C.B., I am Sunny's mum Jackie and yes I have had the
same
problem with getting Sunny under control with the Lysodren, we have been
trying now for over 1 year, Auburn told two weeks ago that some babies are
hard to get under control, they are very suceptible to the drug, we did
5
weeks of loading with stim test coming out differently each week, 1 week
high, next week low etc, I am told to have patience and we are gradually
getting there, Auburn told us that it is better to treat the pup rather
than
the disease, meaning if the pup responds drastically to the drug, cut back,
the pup is more important than the drug, we can always cut back, but we
cannot bring back the baby. Sunny is still eating like a piglet and her
drinking varies, some days it is 20oz some it is as low as 9oz, we are
trying to find a pattern here with the days on the Lysodren, she also
follows me around everwhere now which she never used to. We go for another
stim test on the 28 April, it will have been one month since the last one
and she will have been on 1500 mg a week of Lysodren. How big is C.B.,
maybe she finds it hard to get adjusted to the Lysodren as well, you may
want to ask your vet that question or contact a Vet Med School, thats where
we take Sunny now, we have the blood drawn at our local vet then we Fedex
it
ourselves to Auburn.
Anyway, good luck, hang in there, our babies are worth it. Jackie, Randy,
SUNNY and Saphir (cat friend)
At 08:51 PM 4/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi. I'm new and haven't written before. My dog C.B. was diagnosed about
a
>year ago. She started out on two loading doses in the beginning and
was
>under control somewhat. Her main symptoms were constant, never stopping
>panting and some hair loss. I didn't realize she was drinking alot until
>after loading doses she didn't drink as much. Her hair coat grew back
as
>thick as ever, can't even put a comb through it. Panting was somewhat
under
>control but never really stopped altogether. We put her on a maintenance
>dose after she stopped eating of 1500 mg weekly. About two months ago
she
>started panting 100% of the time again and just walking around driving
me
>crazy. Wouldn't sit or lay down. At that time started a second dose
mid
>week of 750 mg. That didn't seem to help so now she has been on another
>loading dose of 750 mg twice a day since a week ago last Thursday with
no
>better results. She goes tomorrow for another ACTH stim test. She has
had
>them every two months and they have increasingly been getting worse.
She is
>also on Phenobarbitol, Rimadyl, Soloxine and Phenylpropanolomine. She
is my
>constant companion following me around wherever I go, like she is afraid
>I'm going to leave her. Has anyone else had this much trouble with keeping
>the Cushings under control? And if it doesn't get under control, what's
>next? Linda & C.B.
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:53:48 -0400
From: Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Brittiany
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We are new to list but it makes me sad and happy that there are others
to
talk to about our little ones. Sad that some one else is going thru this
but happy that at least we can all talk and compare and be of comfort to
each other. Our dog Brittiany started showing signs right after
Thanksgiving , at that time she ate almost anything that came in site but
recently ,we have been having a VERY hard time getting her to eat ,she was
close to 20 pounds then ,now she is at 16.2 , with her built she looks very
thin, but the looks don't bother me that much it is the fact that some days
she doesn't eat as much as our birds do. All of you keep saying you have
trouble getting yours to stop eating ours doesn't want to eat. Is there
something we are missing here????Does anybody have any ideas?? Some one
on
the dashie list said to feed her those like ensure shakes on her bad days
does anyone have a comment on that good or bad? Thanks and this is a
very good idea, it really helps to have someone to talk and listen to .
Judi
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:18:29 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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> Hi, just discovered your group yesterday. Thanks for all the info.
I've
>been through 2 vets so far with no real confidence in either. I'm off
to a
>vet teaching college next week. Hopefully I'll get good news but I'm
afraid
>it won't be.
> Mollie Bear is the most beautiful dog in the world. She's an 8 yr
old
>keeshond mix who has so much personality--though not the most affectionate
in
>the world. She was diagnosed 3/97 after her coat wouldn't grow back
from a
>"summer" hair cut. She was placed on a massive dose of Lysodren
which nearly
>killed her. I switched vets at that point to a more conservative approach.
>My vet speaks of her as if she were already dead. Not very comforting.
> This past week has been extremely difficult. We're back to drinking
tons of
>water, sitting outside in the snow and panting. I think the only symptom
she
>doesn't have is her coat is beautiful again. She's restless, pacing
and she
>barks A LOT. She's always been a vocal dog but she's bumped it up a
notch.
>And of course she's quite a bit overweight and a bit lazy (unless there's
food
>around).
> Luckily we live in Wyoming where there are no fleas/heartworms so
there are
>no other meds she has to take. Guess I have to look for something good
in
>this. I'm a bit depressed about her condition as you can see.
> Anyway, the question is: My first vet told me she needed to be on
a high
>fat diet to best absorb the lysodren. Has anyone heard that? I haven't
done
>that but I've been putting veg oil (his suggestion) on her food along
with her
>dosage of lysodren. Lord knows she doesn't need a high fat diet. Would
the
>flaxseed oil be better? I've seen that on the digests.
> Thanks for your help and support. Sorry to be so longwinded. Debbie
Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had some bad
reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since it
has
fewer side effects- not as toxic.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:42:26 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Update
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>Hello everyone!
>
>I have found that with my own dog's medication, it is just about impossible
to
>get it straight every day without a "schedule". I have a
dry erase calendar (
>a big one) that has magnets on the back on my refridgerator door.
Whenever
>we add a new med, I just write it in on the days it is to be given.
Each dog
>has his/her own color of marker.( Currently I have three on regular
>medication). It has worked well so far .....even my husband can figure
it out
>when I am away!
>
>Lisa
I have an eraser board and erase the A for the day after Penny gets her
annipryl for that day.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:38:38 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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>The GI absorption of lysodren is enhanced with high dietary intake
of fat. We
>sometimes use this when we suspect poor absorption.
>
>Dave Bruyette, DVM
Thanks that's good to know.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:57:38 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
Message-ID: <l03020907b15945e5eac8@[206.153.79.103]>
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>We are new to list but it makes me sad and happy that there are others
to
>talk to about our little ones. Sad that some one else is going thru
this
>but happy that at least we can all talk and compare and be of comfort
to
>each other. Our dog Brittiany started showing signs right after
>Thanksgiving , at that time she ate almost anything that came in site
but
>recently ,we have been having a VERY hard time getting her to eat ,she
was
>close to 20 pounds then ,now she is at 16.2 , with her built she looks
very
>thin, but the looks don't bother me that much it is the fact that some
days
>she doesn't eat as much as our birds do. All of you keep saying you
have
>trouble getting yours to stop eating ours doesn't want to eat. Is there
>something we are missing here????Does anybody have any ideas?? Some
one on
>the dashie list said to feed her those like ensure shakes on her bad
days
>does anyone have a comment on that good or bad? Thanks and this is
a
>very good idea, it really helps to have someone to talk and listen to
.
>
>
>
> Judi
I am glad to see that you made it here!
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:11:08 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Coping?
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Hi all,
I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill? Do
you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't know
how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how to
cope better?
The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since the
teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't a
high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
more worrying than Cushings.
Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a mild
attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's not
at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders. If
she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying to
torture her... :-(
Thanks,
Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pill schedules (was: Re: Update
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funny thing - my internal alarms still go off for Ebony's pill times,
even
though she is no longer with us... as a result I tend to have that "oh
my
g-d!" feeling twice a day... not every day, but many. I keep thinking
"Oh
my g-d, her pills are late..." :( Of course, Loki eats every 40 minutes
or so... at least I don't have to have an internal alarm for that! :)
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:23:58 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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>Hi all,
>
>I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill?
Do
>you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
>Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
>I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't
know
>how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
>schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how to
>cope better?
>
>The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since
the
>teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
>Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't
a
>high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
>with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
>more worrying than Cushings.
>
>Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
>yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a mild
>attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's
not
>at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders. If
>she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying to
>torture her... :-(
>
>Thanks,
>
>Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
You both will get through this. Penny has almost died on us 3 times since
her diagnosis. I had someone come in to check on her during her setback
in
September while I was at work.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:46:44 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Small World!
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Dr. Bruyette....
Talk about a small world!!!! Guess what....you've been helping my Vet,
Dr. Alan Wachter, treat my Schonus for his Cushings!! You two are the
BEST!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:12:49 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Thanx everyone for your kind words. Had a rough night last night with
Schonus and the Orbax that he was put on for his ear infection. Got it
changed today and now we're keeping our paws crossed!
I must apologize for not making myself very clear on giving the meds...I
can remember to give him the pills but I have this "thing" about
giving
him his pills with a meal. I just don't like giving him pills on an
empty (?) stomach..HA! I doubt if his belly is ever empty!! That
solves that problem!
Does anyone use anti oxidants in addition with a daily vitamin? I just
received a magazine from Fosters & Smith and saw some that are in
addition to everything else suppose to help the immune system. Of
course, I will check with my Vet before ordering them but was just
wondering if anyone was using them and if they made a difference?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:26:17 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Another Mistake!
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Geez...don't know where my mind was last nite but the deposit on
Schonus' skin is a skin plaque...nothing to do with calcium....thank
goodness!!!
Linda
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:30:10 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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In a message dated 98-04-14 13:42:00 EDT, you write:
<< small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut
butter)
might
help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals. >>
This is what I've been doing; peanut butter or the veg oil just with
the pill.
I didn't agree with the high fat diet either. Is vegetable oil good or
bad
(just with the pill)?
Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
Thanks Debbie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:34:28 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
<< Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since it
has
fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was a
new drug
but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did. That's
why
I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the waiting
room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to say,
I
don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:00:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Why would a vet have such a reaction? Is there some feeling in the medical
field or among breeders that Cushings is caused by abusive owners who
don't feed their dogs properly or walk them deliberately through chemical
waste or rap them on the heads hard or inbreed them?
Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, DLowder25 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
>
> << Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
> reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since
it has
> fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
>
> My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was
a new drug
> but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did.
That's why
> I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the
waiting
> room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to
say, I
> don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:12:07 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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> Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
> Thanks Debbie
Hi Debbie,
In Muffin's case, the acute attack had symptoms of abdominal pain (bowing
to
stretch her stomach), shivering, lack of appetite, depression. They can
also
vomit and have diarrhea. This last attack has just been vomiting and tiredness.
Here's an address that tells more about pancreatitis.
http://www.vetinfo.com/dpancrea.html
Hope that helps,
Wendy the Worried and Muffin the Hungry
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Coping?
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When Ebony was having so many problems I just told people at work the
truth and they were really nice covering for me while I took time off (of
course I lost some pay, but not much). Nearly everybody at work knew
Ebony, so they were all sort of involved and asked me about her progress
daily. When she doed I took time off and just vegetated. When I got back
they had "handmade" me a card with notes on it from everybody.
I still
have a hard time talking about her though. As for my university classes,
well, I lied ... I made up a case of horrible flu that kept "coming
back"
- the flu strain around at that time was doing exactly that so my ruse
worked fine and my profs were really nice and helpful. I do not think
they would all have been as understanding if I had told the truth, however
after having her 18 years I had no qualms about missing classes to be with
her. I couldn't concentrate much anyway when she was really sick. It has
taken me 2 months to even get to the point of not breaking into sobs when
I think of her. ~sigh~ Lots of people were really nice to us when she
was sick though - she went so many places with me that people noticed
changes in her or noticed if she wasn't with me (sometimes she was, but
she didn't want to be hauled out of her carbed because she wasn't feeling
well.) It is hard to cope, especially since not everyone has the same
feelings about animal members of families as we do.
I wish to give electronic *hugs* of encouragement to anyone who needs
and
wants them!
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:30:38 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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Kathleen,
Thanks for letting me know how you made it through. I'm terribly sorry
for
your loss of Ebony. You're right. So many people just don't understand
our
feelings for our pups. When I was having a bit of a moan at the place I
volunteer, a co-worker told me I should just have Muffin put to sleep.
This
is from a woman who professes to love dogs!
I know how much it hurts to lose such a good friend. I lost my first
Yorkie
(who was staying with my mother) while we were stationed in England, and
the
loss took a long time to get over. I still cried even years afterward.
The
best thing that helped me to recover was getting Muffin when she was a puppy.
There were inevitable comparisons between the dearly departed and the
newcomer, but the new love in my heart helped heal the bits that were still
broken.
It's never easy to love, is it?
Here's hoping to get past the pancreatitis and on to keeping Muffin as
healthy
as possible for as long as possible.
Wendy and Muffin
Kathleen Richards wrote:
> When Ebony was having so many problems I just told people at work
the
> truth and they were really nice covering for me while I took time off
(of
> course I lost some pay, but not much). Nearly everybody at work knew
> Ebony, so they were all sort of involved and asked me about her progress
> daily. When she doed I took time off and just vegetated. When I got
back
> they had "handmade" me a card with notes on it from everybody.
I still
> have a hard time talking about her though. As for my university classes,
> well, I lied ... I made up a case of horrible flu that kept "coming
back"
> - the flu strain around at that time was doing exactly that so my ruse
> worked fine and my profs were really nice and helpful. I do not think
> they would all have been as understanding if I had told the truth,
however
> after having her 18 years I had no qualms about missing classes to
be with
> her. I couldn't concentrate much anyway when she was really sick.
It has
> taken me 2 months to even get to the point of not breaking into sobs
when
> I think of her. ~sigh~ Lots of people were really nice to us when
she
> was sick though - she went so many places with me that people noticed
> changes in her or noticed if she wasn't with me (sometimes she was,
but
> she didn't want to be hauled out of her carbed because she wasn't feeling
> well.) It is hard to cope, especially since not everyone has the same
> feelings about animal members of families as we do.
>
> I wish to give electronic *hugs* of encouragement to anyone who needs
and
> wants them!
> --
> kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
> ~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
> There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:03:07 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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>In a message dated 98-04-14 17:28:02 EDT, you write:
>
><< Has annipryl been suggested as a treatment option? Penny had
some bad
> reactions to the lysodren but has been pretty good on annipryl since
it has
> fewer side effects- not as toxic. >>
>
> My vet has never mentioned it to me. She mentioned that there was
a new drug
>but couldn't recall the name and would get back to me. Never did.
That's why
>I'm looking for vet #3. This is the same vet that announces to the
waiting
>room that this is a cushings dog and shakes her head. Needless to say,
I
>don't care to see this "vet" again. Debbie
Annipryl was just approved for use in treatment of Cushing's last year.
Where are you located? We called around the local towns to find a vet that
would treat Penny's Cushing's ver aggressively. We were very fortunate to
find him so quickly.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:55:25 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants
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We were told that supplements (in weight appropriate amounts) of Vit
E and Vit
C could only help Ivan. And it seemed to.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:42:48 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Research
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Linda,
I know that the Morris Animal Foundation is in Englewood, Colorado, but
I
have not address for them. Your vet might have one.
Janice
----------
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Research
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 4:31 PM
>
> Thanx Janice....do you happen to have an address for that research
> foundation?
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:57:18 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants
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My Annie is on anti oxidants--one 100 IU of vit E, 125 mg. of Ester C
with
Bioflavinoids, one Beta Carotene every day on the orders of her holistic
vet. We have had no problems with infections of any sort (KNOCK WOOD).
Janice & Annie
----------
> From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
> To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Anti Oxidants
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 5:12 PM
>
> Thanx everyone for your kind words. Had a rough night last night with
> Schonus and the Orbax that he was put on for his ear infection. Got
it
> changed today and now we're keeping our paws crossed!
>
> I must apologize for not making myself very clear on giving the meds...I
> can remember to give him the pills but I have this "thing"
about giving
> him his pills with a meal. I just don't like giving him pills on an
> empty (?) stomach..HA! I doubt if his belly is ever empty!! That
> solves that problem!
>
> Does anyone use anti oxidants in addition with a daily vitamin? I
just
> received a magazine from Fosters & Smith and saw some that are
in
> addition to everything else suppose to help the immune system. Of
> course, I will check with my Vet before ordering them but was just
> wondering if anyone was using them and if they made a difference?
>
> Linda & Schonus
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:05:27 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
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My vet feels that there is definitely a familial tendency for Cushing's.
He stops short of calling it hereditary. I am a poodle breeder and have
been for 30 years. One of my dogs-Annie-is Cushingnoid. I have researched
carefully as possible the hereditary aspects and have come up with no
definitive answers. My own experience shows that within several miles
of
my boarding kennel, there are 7 Lhasa Apsos with Cushing's. Most of these
dogs are from the same breeder or are related so that would indicate a
genetic component in the Lhasa. I also see mini Schnauzers with Cushing's.
Right now we board 3 dogs from different owners who have Cushing's.
Since Addison's Disease is proven inheritable and it is athe opposite
of
Cushing's, isn't it very likely that Cushing's is inheritable?
Janice 7 Annie
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> From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Hereditary element in Cushings
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 1998 7:16 AM
>
> > Hi, We've just had our second dog diagnosed with Cushings
at the
> >age of 12. Rigsby is a minature schnauzer, who has always enjoyed
good
> >health but suddenly went downhill following the death of his mother
> >recently. A couple of years ago, his half sister Chutney (same
mother,
> >different father) was also diagnosed with the disease, but too
late to
> >save her. As you can imagine. It seems strange that we should
see two
> >occurences of what is a relatively rare syndrome in the same family,
and
> >we am wondering whether there is any knowledge of a possible hereditary
> >or environmental link that may be to blame? Many thanks for
your
time,
> >and for providing such a worthwhile and informative site. Best
regards,
> > David & Jill Smith Norfolk, England.
>
> I was told by my vet that there was no hereditary element to worry
about.
I
> have two of Penny's offspring in my house and pray ever day that he
is
> right. I also have on who has Penny in him on both sides of the family
tree
> which makes me more concerned about the hereditary aspect of this
disease.
>
> Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and
Gabe.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:07:18 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
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On Apr 14, 8:30pm, DLowder25 wrote:
> Subject: Re: lysodren/high fat diet
> In a message dated 98-04-14 13:42:00 EDT, you write:
>
> << small_ amount of fat, with the pill (Ivan lived for his peanut
butter)
> might
> help. We also gave the meds immediately after meals. >>
>
> This is what I've been doing; peanut butter or the veg oil just with
the
pill.
> I didn't agree with the high fat diet either. Is vegetable oil good
or bad
> (just with the pill)?
> Also, what are the signs of pancreatitis?
> Thanks Debbie
>-- End of excerpt from DLowder25
The signs we noted (ex post facto) were lethergy (sound familiar?), messy,
"greasy" diarahea, apparent abdominal pain, reluctance to eat
or even drink.
The blood work was a much quicker indicator.
I don't know if I mentioned it here or not, but Dr. Smith did a PM on
Ivan. He
had pancreatic cancer. I'll not question our choice again, as he had at
most
another week.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:21:10 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Coping?
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Wendy wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering how everyone copes with their pups being ill?
Do
> you take time off work? Squeeze in panic time when you can, or what?
> Since Muffin has been in and out of the hospital the last few weeks,
> I've been taking time off my volunteer/schooling program, but don't
know
> how much more time off I can take without causing problems with my
> schooling. Does it ever get any easier? Or do you just learn how
to
> cope better?
>
> The discussion of high-fat diets has been of interest to me. Since
the
> teaching hospital in St. Paul initially thought Muffin had full-blown
> Cushing's and that the pancreatitis was secondary to that, wouldn't
a
> high-fat diet be really bad for our babies? Even if it were just given
> with their medications? So far, I'm thinking the pancreatitis is far
> more worrying than Cushings.
>
> Muffin had another attack of either pancreatitis or gastritis
> yesterday. They've told me they can't be sure which is which in a
mild
> attack. I do think Muffin's feeling quite a bit better today. She's
not
> at all impressed that I'm still fasting her per the vet's orders.
If
> she's hungry, I figure she's improving. She must think I'm trying
to
> torture her... :-(
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stressed Wendy & Hungry Muffin
Wendy & Muffin:
For me it doesn'g get any easier, mostly because, i guess, i usually
feel so helpless when i want to help Cybil so much. wondering every day
if this will be a better or worse day, what will happen just takes its
toll. i don't know about anyone else, but i don't sleep as well since
Cybil was diagnosed, caught somewhere between praying for her and
worrying about her, in that helpless grayness of night. To be honest,
i'm not even sure i cope any better. i guess, like Cybil, i have better
days and worse days. i just try to remeber to be thankful for the time
i have with her.
Patti & Cybil
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:31:17 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings and Diabetes
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Only you know how comforting it is to locate this forum! I am the mother
to a
beautiful yellow lab named Rosie who just turned 12 years old on April 6th.
I
have been dredding this year because it was at age 12 two years ago I had
to
put down my male lab, Sandy who I still miss!
Rosie was diagnosed with Cushings the first week of March. This diagnosis
has
explained so many symptoms I have been seeing for a while. Things happen
so-
o-o-o-o gradually that you do not realize the changes sometimes. For example,
Rosie has not experienced hair loss but after her medication started I
realized her coat had gotten really thick and she had been shedding profusely
for sometime and that stopped! Panting, drinking lots of water. The
diagnosis was made because Rosie stopped eating and really felt punk. My
vet,
who is wonderful, found the Cushings immediately with a blood test. Instead
of putting Rosie through another blood test to determine which type of
Cushings she had, the decision was made to start her on Deprnyl due to lack
of
side effects. Also, supposedly 85% of Cushings is Pituitary and Deprnyl
deals
with that type. Rosie's coat slicked up, she quit panting and her water
intake dropped. However, sometimes she wouldn't eat, she was losing the
loss
of her back legs. It was horrible! A blood glucose test was made on her
and
it was off the charts. We started her on a conservative dose of insulin
(10
units) twice a day. When she was diagnosed with Cushings Rosie was a hefty
82lbs. In two weeks she was down to 69 lbs. With insulin being introduced,
she began feeling better, and ate well. I remind myself of my
grandmother....as long as we eat everything will be fine... Anyway, Rosie
is
now up to 19 units of insulin twice a day and started on Lysodren last Friday.
Deprnyl did not work for her. I am testing urine samples twice a day to
watch
for a decrease in glucose so I do not overdose her on insulin in case her
body
starts producing it again. She is someone tired starting on the Lycodren
but
no major side affects yet. We are starting to decrease her prednesolone
to
one time a day from twice a day. This is suppose to lessen her side affects
I
believe. She has started panting again and I haven't gotten a negative
glucose test yet. It may be early still. This is really scary! The constant
unknown from day to day does take its toll on us. Hang in there everyone,
sorry this is so long winded but I had not seen anything about the Cushings
and Diabetes combination and thought it might be helpful or informative
to the
group. Hope this helps! Take care!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:46:24 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
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Welcome to the group, and a belated happy barkday to Rosie.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:17:16 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
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Welcome and welcome to Rosie, I am glad that you found this wonderful
service, it has helped us tremendously, Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir
(Cat
friend)
At 11:31 AM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Only you know how comforting it is to locate this forum! I am the mother
to a
>beautiful yellow lab named Rosie who just turned 12 years old on April
6th. I
>have been dredding this year because it was at age 12 two years ago
I had to
>put down my male lab, Sandy who I still miss!
>
>Rosie was diagnosed with Cushings the first week of March. This diagnosis
has
>explained so many symptoms I have been seeing for a while. Things happen
so-
>o-o-o-o gradually that you do not realize the changes sometimes. For
example,
>Rosie has not experienced hair loss but after her medication started
I
>realized her coat had gotten really thick and she had been shedding
profusely
>for sometime and that stopped! Panting, drinking lots of water. The
>diagnosis was made because Rosie stopped eating and really felt punk.
My vet,
>who is wonderful, found the Cushings immediately with a blood test.
Instead
>of putting Rosie through another blood test to determine which type
of
>Cushings she had, the decision was made to start her on Deprnyl due
to lack of
>side effects. Also, supposedly 85% of Cushings is Pituitary and Deprnyl
deals
>with that type. Rosie's coat slicked up, she quit panting and her water
>intake dropped. However, sometimes she wouldn't eat, she was losing
the loss
>of her back legs. It was horrible! A blood glucose test was made on
her and
>it was off the charts. We started her on a conservative dose of insulin
(10
>units) twice a day. When she was diagnosed with Cushings Rosie was
a hefty
>82lbs. In two weeks she was down to 69 lbs. With insulin being introduced,
>she began feeling better, and ate well. I remind myself of my
>grandmother....as long as we eat everything will be fine... Anyway,
Rosie is
>now up to 19 units of insulin twice a day and started on Lysodren last
Friday.
>Deprnyl did not work for her. I am testing urine samples twice a day
to watch
>for a decrease in glucose so I do not overdose her on insulin in case
her body
>starts producing it again. She is someone tired starting on the Lycodren
but
>no major side affects yet. We are starting to decrease her prednesolone
to
>one time a day from twice a day. This is suppose to lessen her side
affects I
>believe. She has started panting again and I haven't gotten a negative
>glucose test yet. It may be early still. This is really scary! The
constant
>unknown from day to day does take its toll on us. Hang in there everyone,
>sorry this is so long winded but I had not seen anything about the Cushings
>and Diabetes combination and thought it might be helpful or informative
to the
>group. Hope this helps! Take care!
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:40:32 -0400
From: Rich Herrmann <riju@bright.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings & Diabetes
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Brittany goes at least for a weekly test of your urine which
the vets checks for specific gravity and sugar. The test for sugar has
been negative so far and we pray that it remains that way.
Brittany has never seemed to have much hair on her back which
we never thought much of until she was diagnosed with Cushings this past
Thanksgiving. Well lo and behold all of a sudden her hair has come back
in. She now has more hair than she has ever had in her 10 years of her
life. The only strange thing about this Brittany is a black mini dachi
with brown trim. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not know
what color to call her.
Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
(Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole, Sassy & Bull)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:09:10 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Small World!
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No problem.
Glad things are going well.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:34:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
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My apologies in advance, but I simply couldn't resist forwarding this
on...
-Leslie
> New Canine Crossbreeds:
>
> Collie + Lhasa Apso
> Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
>
> Spitz + Chow Chow
> Spitz-Chow, a dog that throws up a lot
>
> Bloodhound + Borzoi
> Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun
>
> Pointer + Setter
> Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
>
> Kerry Blue Terrier + Skye Terrier
> Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries
>
> Great Pyrenees + Dachshund
> Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
>
> Pekingnese + Lhasa Apso
> Peekasso, an abstract dog
>
> Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel
> Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle
>
> Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever
> Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists
>
> Newfoundland + Basset Hound
> Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
>
> Terrier + Bulldog
> Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
>
> Bloodhound + Labrador
> Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
>
> Malamute + Pointer
> Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
>
> Collie + Malamute
> Commute, a dog that travels to work
>
> Deerhound + Terrier
> Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
>
> Bull Terrier + Shitzu
> Bull Shitzu, a gregarious but unreliable breed
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:03:28 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Update
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To remind me to give Ginger her Anirpyl pills, I take the self-sticking
correction tape and put it underneath each row of pills and then I write
the dates for the month under each pill, that way when I look I can make
sure I gave her the pill. It takes a couple of minutes to do each month
and sometimes I can cheat and pull off the old ones and patch them unto
the
new sheet of pills.
I'm in that group where the short term memory starts to "short out". (Grin)
Sue and Ginger ( why did I get Cushing's?)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:07:25 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Hair colour
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Rich and Judy - I was very interested to read your comment re the changing
colour of fur. Our tri-coloured Sheltie was badly mauled by a Staffie
the day
he was diagnosed with Cushings at the beginning of March. Some of the
injuries
became infected about a week after the initial treatment for them and required
reshaving and a week being hospitalised. Before this his tri-colour was
the
acceptable areas - now he has extra tri-colours on his back - black with
a grey
undercoat (normal), salt and pepper (the first area of shaving) and shiny
blackbird black (the area where the second shaving occured). He's now a
new
type - not tri-coloured but patchwork!!!
Ann & John Cooper,
Mum & Dad to Kelly and his feline support crew, Oscar and Monty
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
>
. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
>Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
>anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
>are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not
know
>what color to call her.
>
>
> Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
> (Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole, Sassy & Bull)
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:13:54 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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I bet the vet was reacting more with a sense of doom, in other words,
there
is no cure for Cushing's. But why mention it at all in that manner?!
What realistically is the life expectancy with Cushing's? Does it depend
on the dog
or the dog's general health when he/she is diagnosed? If they have the
rapid breathing
problem, is this going to shorten their life faster? I've tried to
explain this to
others, but I feel like I am not sure about this disease.
Is there anything I can do to help my dog breathe easier besides the
bronchodilator?
Has anyone had any experience with this.
Sue O. and Ginger
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:49:58 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New Canine Crossbreeds (fwd)
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Leslie Lawson wrote:
>
> My apologies in advance, but I simply couldn't resist forwarding this
> on...
>
> -Leslie
>
> > New Canine Crossbreeds:
> >
> > Collie + Lhasa Apso
> > Collapso, a dog that folds up for easy transport
> >
> > Spitz + Chow Chow
> > Spitz-Chow, a dog that throws up a lot
> >
> > Bloodhound + Borzoi
> > Bloody Bore, a dog that's not much fun
> >
> > Pointer + Setter
> > Poinsetter, a traditional Christmas pet
> >
> > Kerry Blue Terrier + Skye Terrier
> > Blue Skye, a dog for visionaries
> >
> > Great Pyrenees + Dachshund
> > Pyradachs, a puzzling breed
> >
> > Pekingnese + Lhasa Apso
> > Peekasso, an abstract dog
> >
> > Irish Water Spaniel + English Springer Spaniel
> > Irish Springer, a dog fresh and clean as a whistle
> >
> > Labrador Retriever + Curly Coated Retriever
> > Lab Coat Retriever, the choice of research scientists
> >
> > Newfoundland + Basset Hound
> > Newfound Asset Hound, a dog for financial advisors
> >
> > Terrier + Bulldog
> > Terribull, a dog that makes awful mistakes
> >
> > Bloodhound + Labrador
> > Blabador, a dog that barks incessantly
> >
> > Malamute + Pointer
> > Moot Point, owned by....oh, well, it doesn't matter anyway
> >
> > Collie + Malamute
> > Commute, a dog that travels to work
> >
> > Deerhound + Terrier
> > Derriere, a dog that's true to the end
> >
> > Bull Terrier + Shitzu
> > Bull Shitzu, a gregarious but unreliable breed
> >
Leslie,
i really needed this today. Cybil has not been doing too well lately
and
this is tax day. the only laughs i've had all day.
Patti
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:56:47 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings & Diabetes
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>
> Brittany goes at least for a weekly test of your urine
which
>the vets checks for specific gravity and sugar. The test for sugar
has
>been negative so far and we pray that it remains that way.
> Brittany has never seemed to have much hair on her back
which
>we never thought much of until she was diagnosed with Cushings this
past
>Thanksgiving. Well lo and behold all of a sudden her hair has come
back
>in. She now has more hair than she has ever had in her 10 years of
her
>life. The only strange thing about this Brittany is a black mini dachi
>with brown trim. Now since her hair has come back in it has been BROWN.
>Now we have a black mini who seems to have more brown hair than black.
Has
>anyone else ever experienced this in their dogs with CUSHINGS. Goodness
we
>are glad we don't have to re-register her with the AKC as we would not
know
>what color to call her.
>
>
> Rich & Judi Herrmann and their family of five
> (Nikki, Brittany, Nikkole,
>Sassy & Bull)
Penny's hair is coming in more black than red now that her coat is getting
thick again.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:24:23 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Research
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Janice Glosson wrote:
> I know that the Morris Animal Foundation is in Englewood, Colorado,
but I
> have not address for them. Your vet might have one.
Here is the information on how to contact them:
Morris Animal Foundation:
http://www.morrisanimalfoundation.org/
45 Inverness Drive East
Englewood, Colorado 80112
Toll free (800)243-2345
(303)790-2345
Jeri
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:39:27 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Subject: Research Foundation
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Janice....
Did a search and found Morris Research Foundation! Thanx so much for
the info.
Linda
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:01:28 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Hair Regrowth
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For those of you who mentioned about hair regrowth.....how long did it
take after you began treatment? Schonus had two ultrasounds done and
his hair on his belly in one patch is just getting long enough to pull.
But the hair on his body is still so very thin. He's been on Lysodren
maintenance now for approximately four months. His first "normal"
ACTH
test was in February.
Does the hair start regrowing after normal counts or sooner?
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:32:02 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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