CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 31

Topics covered in this issue include:

1) Re: Food
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
2) Re: Brittiany
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
3) Re: Here We Go Again!
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
4) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
5) Something happy
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
6) Re: Here We Go Again!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
7) anipryl/diabetes & water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
8) Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
9) Arthur
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
10) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
11) Penny
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
12) Electronic Hug
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
13) Re: Here We Go Again!
by "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
14) more additions to the Cushing's Gallery
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
15) Feature on diabetes
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
16) Re: Mollie Bear
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
17) FWD from kathleen: Cushings and Moving
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
18) Re: Cushing's and Moving
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
19) Re: Staph
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
20) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
21) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
22) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
23) Re: Something happy
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
24) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
25) positive & negative
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
26) Re: positive & negative
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
27) Re: Penny
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
28) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
29) Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
30) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
31) Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
32) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
33) Re: Winchester
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
34) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
35) Something Happy
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
36) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
37) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
38) Re: Feature on diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
39) Re: Missing Link
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
40) Downunder Query
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
41) Re: Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
42) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
43) Missing Link
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
44) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
45) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
46) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
47) Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
48) Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
49) Re: Winchester
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
50) Re: Winchester
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
51) Fwd: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
52) Re: Greyhound
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
53) Re: hilbro: Re: Cushings and Diabetes
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
54) Re: Tea Tree Oil
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
55) Chronic Renal Failure
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
56) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
57) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
58) Re: Chronic Renal Failure
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
59) Re: Fwd: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
60) DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
61) Re: Winchester
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
62) Re: Winchester
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
63) anipryl & ACTH stimulation test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
64) Re: Chronic Renal Failure
by floyd@zianet.com
65) Cushings: Thanks
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
66) Something happy
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
67) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
68) Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
70) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
71) Ear Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
72) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
73) Tea Tree Oil
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
74) Mollie Bear Update
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
75) tea tree oil
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
76) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by DesignSue <DesignSue@aol.com>
77) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
78) Re: [MUFFIN] Muffin invitation
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
79) Re: DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
80) Re: Ear Infections
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
81) Rosie Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
82) Ear Infections/Tubes
by SheltyLove <SheltyLove@aol.com>
83) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
84) Infections
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
85) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
86) Unscribe
by Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
87) Re: Ear Infections
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
88) Disease versus Our Babies
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
89) Shu-Shu
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
90) How to clarify diagnosis
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
91) North Dakota
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
92) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
93) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
94) Re: Disease versus Our Babies
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
95) FWD from Rigsby's mom....
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
96) Diagnosis
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
97) Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
98) BUBBA AND ME
by Oberaw <Oberaw@aol.com>
99) Bubba and Me
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
100) Re: Shu-Shu
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
101) Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom....
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
102) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by scott <scott@adams.net>
103) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
104) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
105) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
106) "episode"
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
107) Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
108) Re[2]: BUBBA AND ME
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
109) Re[2]: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
110) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
111) Re: FWD from Rigsby's mom (recipe)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
112) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
113) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
114) Arthur
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
115) I'll be back
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
116) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
117) Alternative vets
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
118) Ear Infections
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
119) Arthur
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
120) Episode
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
121) Anipryl
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
122) Hypothyroidism
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
123) Me Again!
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
124) Soloxine
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
125) Moaning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
126) Bo is having crisis
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
127) Re: Hypothyroidism
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
128) Re: Arthur
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
129) Soloxine
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
130) Moaning
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
131) Re: Moaning
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
132) Re: Moaning
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
133) Re: Moaning
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
134) Re: Anipryl
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
135) Re. moaning
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
136) Re: Moaning
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
137) Re: Ear Infections
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
138) Re: Arthur
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
139) Re: Me Again!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
140) Re: Moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
141) Bo
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
142) Re: How to clarify diagnosis ACTH stim test
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
143) Re: aniipryl hotline
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
144) Thyroid Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
145) Re: Hypothyroidism
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
146) HELP !!
by "Troy wilson" <supertroy@hotmail.com>
147) Re: Hypothyroidism
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
148) Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
149) Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
150) Re: Hypothyroidism
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
151) Re: Bo
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
152) Re: Bo
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
153) Re: Hypothyroidism
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
154) Thyroid Test
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
155) Thyroid
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
156) Thyroid Pills
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
157) Re: Hypothyroidism
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
158) Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
159) Re: Moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
160) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
161) Acupuncture (Was:Re: Hypothyroidism)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
162) Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
163) Re: Thyroid/Cushings and antioxidants
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
164) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
165) Re: How to clarify diagnosis
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
166) Re: Arthur
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
167) Re: Diagnosis
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
168) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
169) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
170) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
171) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
172) Re: Bo
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
173) Re: Pepto Bismo (Was: Re: Bo)
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
174) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
175) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
176) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
177) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
178) Re: Moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
179) Re: Mollie Bear Update
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
180) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
181) Re: Me Again!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
182) Rubber Band
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
183) Bad morning for Rosie
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
184) Loading Phase
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
185) Bad Morning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
186) Acupuncture/Lasers, etc (Was: Re: Hypothyroidism)
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
187) Re: Bad Morning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
188) Re: Vincent just ate a rubber band!
by RitaSwim <RitaSwim@aol.com>
189) Re: Moaning
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
190) ~DC~ beautiful day
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
191) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by scott <scott@adams.net>
192) Re: Moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
193) Re: Bad Morning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
194) Bad Morning
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
195) Re: Re. moaning
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
196) Re: Re. moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
197) Re: Bad Morning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
198) Re: BUBBA AND ME
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
199) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
200) Re: Bad Morning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
201) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
202) Re: Hypothyroidism
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
203) Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
204) Recipe for Dog Biscuits
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
205) Re: Bad Morning
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
206) Re: Re. moaning
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
207) Re: Bad Morning & a Heavy Dose
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
208) Re: Bad Morning
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
209) Re: Re. moaning
by floyd@zianet.com
210) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
211) Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
212) Re: Bad morning & bad breath
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
213) Addison's Disease
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
214) Re: Bad Morning
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
215) Glucose testing
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
216) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
217) Re: Re. moaning
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
218) Re: Bad Breath
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
219) Re: Bad Breath
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
220) Re: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
221) Re: Addison's Disease
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
222) Bo
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
223) Chronic Renal Failure
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
224) Re: Boomer starts Cushings Treatment
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
225) Penny
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
226) Re: Glucose testing
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
227) Re: Bo
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
228) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
229) Bad Breath
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
230) Re: Glucose testing
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
231) Re: Bad Breath
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
232) bad weekend
by kaykay2@ix.netcom.com
233) Bad Breath
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:34:19 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Food
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:38:16 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Food
>
>
>Our Sunny is on Hill's R/D which I understand is all fiber and water, she
was on
>W/D briefly and has also been on K/D. R/D however, is truly fiber and
water if
>you read the contents of the can. Also, Hill's Consumer Info Center told us
>that it is basically 95% water and the rest is fiber. She was put on it to
lose
>weight, and I believe she has lost some, if only a little, but now we are
having
>the problem of not wanting it anymore -- possibly due to the taste. We have
>even began to **DOCTOR IT** a little. We add low fat cheese (only enough
to add
>some taste); low sodium, no fat chicken, beef or vegetable broth; low
sodium, no
>fat vegetable soup; or basically, anything that will no *hurt* our baby, but
>still get her to eat her food. \\
>
>Randy, Jackie, Sunny, and Saphir (Cat Sister)
>
>______________________________ Forward Header
__________________________________
>Subject: Re: Food
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at Internet
>Date: 4/19/98 3:41 PM
>
>
>M. Brownstein DVM thank you now I am using Hills the w/d and he is so
>hungry and can only have two cans a day and he still does care for it
>and I am beginning to worry that he is going to get worst if he does not
>eat. That you I will try DCO and see if he will eat that, I take for
>granted this is a food sold at the vets and that it is find for diebetes
>and Cushings because he has both and I am worrying myself to death not
>begin able to regulate his insulin or him not wanting to eat. Again
>Thank You.
>
>Sandra Johnson
>
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Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones

Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:36:11 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Brittiany
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:39:39 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Brittiany
>
>
> Isn't Oil *fattening*?
>
> Randy (Sunny's Dad)
>
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>
>Tom,
>
>If you put a few drops of vegetable oil in your feeding syringes after you
>wash them and work the plunger a few times to lubricate them it will help you
>get more uses out of them.
>
>Lisa
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:37:09 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:29:57 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC <SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil>
>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
>
>
> Once again I read a horror. Is the cream you were provided for your
> babies eyes a *nonsteroidal* cream or does it have cortizone in it?
> If the cream has cortizone in it as some do, then it is possible you
> are hurting your baby instead of helping. Our vet at Auburn told us
> to make sure we never, **never** use a cream that has cortizone or any
> type of steriod in it. I am hoping your vet remembered this as well,
> please tell me it is so.
>
> Our Sunny had an eye disease of which no one in our area had ever seen
> before, so we had to trek to Birmingham -- 100 miles south to a
> Veterinarian Eye Specialist. She had never seen it before either, but
> published a paper on it after treating Sunny. She presented the paper
> at a huge conference. Anyway, my main point is is there an eye
> specialist in your area perhaps?!
>
> Keep Bo getting better and I hope his eye problem gets straightened
> out soon. Love from Sunny, Randy (Daddy), Jackie (Mummy) and Saphir
> (Cat Sister).
>
>
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>Author: jhart@cynet.net at Internet
>Date: 4/19/98 12:27 AM
>
>
>With all the discussions about staph and other infections apart from
>Cushings, I am concerned about a recent problem with Bo. He is doing
>well with Lysodren maintenance, but he just in the last couple of days
>developed swelling and redness in one eyelid. We took him to the vet
>today, and he didn't know what was causing it, but gave us an antibotic
>and some ointment to treat it. We are relatively new with this vet, I
>took Bo to a specialist for Cushings. I'm concerned that it may be or
>develop into a staph thing, and hope someone can give me the signs to
>watch out for.
>
>There's another thing I'm concerned about, and I've talked about it
>before. After he was first diagnosed and successfully treated with
>Lysodren a little over a year ago (with some mishaps in between) Bo
>seemed to make a remarkable recovery. He is still doing well, but there
>are subtle and sometimes disturbing changes in his personality. He is
>not demonstrative at all anymore, doesn't give kisses, doesn't make a
>fuss over me, although he still follows me up the stairs to bed at
>night, and he definitely recognizes and follows me at the dog park (a
>wonderful place where people are allowed to let their dogs run free). He
>interacts with the other dogs there to some extent, but he doesn't even
>chase balls anymore - once his favorite pasttime. On the other hand, he
>seems to love going to the park, as well as for walks in the woods. He
>is eleven years old now, so it's hard to say how much is related to age.
>
>Just when I get really worried, he'll surprise me by doing something
>really funny, like this afternoon he got mad when he thought the big
>dogs were bullying Gordie (the Gordon Setter pup we recently adopted) at
>the park. Bo (who weighs less than 30 pounds) ran at the big dogs
>barking furiously until they backed off of Gordie. Understand, Gordie
>is now 11 months old and more than twice as large as Bo, so who needed
>protection is a good question.
>
>If any longtime Cushings owners could weigh in with their observations
>(as well as any lurking vet folks) I'd appreciate it.
>
>Thanks
>Judy
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:28 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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I'll try to answer a few of your questions as best I can.

Knowing the form of the disorder helps in treatment. Some medications are
better suited for one form vs another. And surgery is somewhat of an option
for adreneal.

Some of the pups you will read about are more severely affected because they
might have gone longer before being diagnosed than others. Also, I think, the
disorder has varying degrees of severity. You'll find everyone here trying
their hardest, and we all pull for each other.

Finallly, again, it depends on when the Cushings was diagnosed. We were able
to "retrospectively" diagnose Ivan and say that he started showing signs and
symptoms in early 1994. When he was diagnosed (in late 1994), our vet gave him
6 to 9 months. I'd say he lived a wonderful life in spite of his disease.

I hope this helps you feel a little more comfortable.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:02:46 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Something happy
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We visited with our future puppy Sunday. A litter of six little Corgis, seven
weeks old today. All too cute to be believed. And there is nothing quite as
relaxing as holding a sleeping puppy.

We are looking forward to picking him up on Mother's Day.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:10:16 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
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You'll find staph on your own body. It's only by virtue of our immune system
that we don't develop regular staph infections. Same thing with the dogs.
This is also why immune comprimised individuals (humans or dogs) have to be
extra careful about cuts & scrapes.

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:17:51 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: anipryl/diabetes & water
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After Gretle was on anipryl for about 6 weeks without receiving insulin =
for diabetes in 400 BG range, she cut down on water consumption =
dramatically, My question is since the excess water intake helps =
eliminate the glucose, is it harmful to the dog when her BG is high and =
water consumption stays low? This was Gretle"s first week on insulin, =
and I hope the BG will get lower as we get her stabilized but for now, I =
would think she should have a greater water intake. I am using =
dipsticks to test so I do not have a good handle on the average BG but =
do know her water intake was low when her actual reading was almost 400.
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:49 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: Cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Winchester
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I am sitting here waiting to hear the results of Winchester's Cushing
test...I was wondering about three weeks ago he cut his hind leg and it
was just a small cut but I couldn't get it to stop bleeding, he even
bleed through heavy bandages. He was diagnose with diabetes two weeks
ago and now they think he has Cushings also would Cushing cause him to
bleed like that, the waiting over the weekend has been awful and he
bottom out Saturday we have not been able to regulate his insulin and I
think that is one reason that they believe he has Cushing.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:22:59 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Arthur
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Lisa,

Excellent news that Arthur is doing so well!!

When you say he was diagnosed early was that through positive readings on
tests or was he showing "Pre-Cushings" signs, symptoms, and because of your
experience you just knew he had it?
We're still monitoring Timmy and Little Rosti with our vet (she's super!),
but we'd also be interested to know how others catch this terrible disease
early while their dogs are still strong.
Thanks.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:26:36 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Cheste I have the same questions about Winchester...he isn't drinking
water like he was when they diagnose him with diabetes and his glucose
is in the high 400's I give him 20cc twice a day and that is not enother
and 30 is to much he bottom outs but they haven't try 25 but I wonder
why he is not drinking large amount of water.
Sandy

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:24:55 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Penny
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Toni,

Do you own a litter or an animal rescue shelter? Who are Brandy, Bridget,
Duffy, Georgie, Bo and Gabe? And is Penny doing okay now?

Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:28:06 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Electronic Hug
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Kathleen,

Thanks so much for your electronic hug. We needed it, and grabbed it
right up!

Electronic hugs back to you, and thanks for staying with us, especially
after the pain you have been through with the loss of Ebony. It wouldn't be a
real family without you!!!

And special little electronic hugs to Loki, too (one really lucky dog).
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:34:10 CST
From: "Kathleen J. Spradlin-Miller" <kmiller@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Here We Go Again!
Message-ID: <452BB665BB@beowulf.mhsl.uab.edu>

Hello Everyone!

I thought this would interest some of you. Sunday's
Birmingham News reported that Friskies Pet Products was donating
$90,000 worth of dog and cat food for the pets displaced by the
tornado here. The local humane society is currently housing the
animals, and trying to find their original owners.

Sometimes we do hear of some good news.

Jean

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:50:25 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: more additions to the Cushing's Gallery
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The adorable Kelly and Vincent have been added--finally ;-)--to the
Cushing's Gallery. Do check out their very sweet faces at
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>

Also, Terrible Ted's folks have added the *great* story of how TT got his
name. You can access it by clicking on Ted's picture on the gallery page.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:56:35 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Feature on diabetes
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FYI to those of you with Diabetic/Cushinoid pups:

One of the features this week on http://vetmedicine.miningco.com is canine
diabetes.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:30:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Mollie Bear
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Yea for Arthur! Keep up the good work, you strong boy.

 

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April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:35:48 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: FWD from kathleen: Cushings and Moving
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>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
>Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
>
>ND is North Dakota? If so, what city are you in? :)
>
>At 11:34 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi Patty,
>>
>>Muffin has had the low-dose dex test twice (4hr test at local vet and 8hr
>test at U of MN vet
>>teaching hosp) now and both have come back borderline. She's not showing
>any outward
>>symptoms of Cushing's, and since the blood work is borderline, they don't
>want to start
>>treatment on her. So, she's doesn't really have Cushing's yet, but they
>think she'll develop
>>it in the future. I'd like to do everything I can to keep that diagnosis
>as far in the
>>future as possible.
>>
>>I'm glad to hear your furbaby has reached maintainance. I hope things go
>well from here on
>>out.
>>
>>I'm moving from ND to CA soon and was wondering if anyone has any
>suggestions on finding a
>>new vet. Should I call around and ask what their experience in treating
>Cushinoid dogs is?
>>
>>Wendy & Muffin
>>
>>Daniel Klein wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Wendy, I have just (hopefully) gotten my dog into the "maintenance"
>stage of using
>>> Lysodren. It has been a grim two mos. His weight went from 29 lbs. to
>42!!! He has now
>>> taken off a couple of lbs. What is "pre-Cushings"? I am trying to learn
>all that I
>>> can. Love to your dogs,
>>>
>>> Patty
>>>
>>> Wendy wrote:
>>>
>>> > Since Muffin is pre-Cushings and has liver problems, so I'd love to
>start her on
>>> > supplements, but what dosages should I use on a 14.5 lb dog who's
>supposed to be 12
>>> > lbs? Any ideas out there? Muffin already has "debris" in her bladder
>and some
>>> > mineralization of the kidneys according to the u/s. I'd like to do
>whatever possible
>>> > to help her.
>>> >
>>> > Wendy and Muffin.
>>> >
>>> > HD Bliley wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I recommend that you start the 'pre-Cushings' on VitC to acidify the
>urine, and
>>> > > bolster the immune system, also Vit B complex for possible liver
>complications.
>>> > > Both are safe.
>>> > >
>>> > > Henry Bliley
>>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>--
> ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~
> -dire straits
>kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:01:50 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: "CUSHING'S-PETS" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Cushing's and Moving
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Hi Kathleen,

Yes, ND is North Dakota. I'm in Grand Forks, the town that was flooded
out a year ago. We lost one of our vets because of the flood. She
moved south. We're moving to Edwards AFB in So. Calif., and it's going
to be a long drive. Anyone out there with experience and suggestions?

Wendy & Muffin

>From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
>Subject: Re: Hereditary Element in Cushings and Moving
>
>ND is North Dakota? If so, what city are you in? :)
>
>At 11:34 AM 4/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi Patty,
>>
>>Muffin has had the low-dose dex test twice (4hr test at local vet and
8hr
>>test at U of MN vet teaching hosp) now and both have come back
borderline. She's >>not showing any outward symptoms of Cushing's, and
since the blood work is >>borderline, they don't want to start treatment
on her. So, she's doesn't really have >>Cushing's yet, but they think
she'll develop it in the future. I'd like to do everything I >>can to
keep that diagnosis as far in the future as possible.

>>
>>I'm moving from ND to CA soon and was wondering if anyone has any
>suggestions on finding a
>>new vet. Should I call around and ask what their experience in
treating
>Cushinoid dogs is?
>>

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:45:15 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Staph
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Hi, Linda. His poor feet! Tea tree oil is getting common, even a big
drugstore might have it. It's great stuff.

Also, I know that the skin on my nails cracks if my hands are in water too
much, maybe cut down on the soakings? I know, you can't win, it seems like
sometimes.

He's probably not picking up the staph anyplace, it literally is
everywhere, and he probably has it systemically (as do I, probably). So I
wouldn't worry about where he walks. Good luck with it.

Susan

At 06:14 PM 4/18/98 -0300, you wrote:
>Susan...
>
>The staph infection is the skin in between his pads. At the moment, we
>wash/soak his feet in Domeboro solution, dry his feet off and then apply
>Bactoderm. Schonus is also on Keflex for it. He goes for four walks a
>day but the only thing is he hasn't walked any place new. His pads are
>starting to crack real bad so I've started applying Vitamin E oil as
>well. The only time he licks his paws is when the infection is back and
>that's how I know other than periodic checks. My Vet also recommended
>Icthamol ointment.
>

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:02 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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Yes, I had the same thing happen to me. Four tests, one month, and the vet
insisted they needed to keep doing more, when my dog had every symptom.
They told me the next steps were another test, sonogram then exploratory
surgery. I went to another vet who agreed to start treating. That was my
decision cause I just wanted treatment. My dog is now improved somewhat.
It's very frustrating.

>Hi All,
>
>I took Dudley back to the vet this last Friday for another Low Dose
>Dexamenthasone Sup. test. This is the same 8 hour blood draw as they did
>last Friday except they gave him sterioids first.
>
>He came back from the vet with his left front leg swollen twice the size
>as the right. I guess they had trouble stopping his bleeding after one of
>the blood draws so they put a tight bandage on him. The swelling has gone
>down quite a bit except for the joint just above his foot, it's still pretty
>puffy. It doesn't seem to bother him but I'm still not letting him run
>like he like too, (Dudley's a greyhound).
>
>Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is pituitary
>related or adreanal. The vet called today when I was gone and talked to my
>son (13) who sometimes doesn't take good messages. My son told me that the
>vet said the tests didn't show anything. Now I'm confused. Has anyone had
>anything like this happen? I'm wondering what the next step is. He's
suppose
>to call me next week and talk to me.
>
>Thanks for listening. Jan G. Seattle, WA
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:21:36 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Hi Liza-

Welcome to our "family"!

I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
experience with our little Melissa.

>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>same?

Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of only
~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications, 1)
Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they produce
less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is pretty
harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when the
HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that I
hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate for
Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).

>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?

The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use Lysodren,
he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his life.

>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>changes can I expect to see?

Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction in
Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading dose.
As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with Lysodren.

>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to be
>significantly shortened because of this?

I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature as
averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was diagnosed,
how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has, etc.
You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost four
years!

>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?

We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always had
a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems that
the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.

> Boomer doesn't seem
>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he gonna
>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>better.

Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
reduction in her drinking.

I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.

Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks Doreen!)
to be on the web page sometime soon.

-Leslie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:33:06 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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One positive aspect on life expectancy. Ivan saw our vet at least four times a
year, and we were, I think, more tuned into his needs. As a result, we caught
his spleen before it killed him, and kept most of his problems under control.

 

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:34:48 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Dillon --

I'm incredibly happy for you! We never forget or stop missing the pets we've
lost, but people like us need to have another, and they need to have us! If
you don't give love, you don't get love...

Lois

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:36:31 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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In a message dated 98-04-20 13:03:20 EDT, hautlynx@sirius.com writes:

<< Anyway this test was suppose to let the vet know if the Cushings is
pituitary
>related or adreanal. >>
A low dose dex test does not differentiate pituitaryt vs adrenal based
Cushings disease. Only a high does dex test does. Another good screening
test (such as the low dose dex test) is a urine cortisol creatinine ratio.

In many cases, Cushingnoid dogs will have normal low dose dex test and the
next step (if all clinical and biochemical signs are there) is often the high
dose test.

Hope this helps,
M. Brownstein DVM
http://www.petsandvets

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:51:03 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: positive & negative
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Dillon - the tears came when I read of the joy of holding your new baby - and
I'm sure Ivan will be keeping an eye on things from above. Hugs and best
wishes from down under......
I didn't receive any input from anyone on the borage/fish/evening primrose oil
that we are trying with Kelly to hopefully give him a reasonable covering for
Winter so I assume it's not something that anyone has experience of. But can
someone tell me what we could do to help Kelly's stiffness. We're not sure if
it is arthritis or muscle scarring or damage from the attack but sometimes he
has 2-3 attempts before he can get up. It's only since he was on Lysodren that
it has became very noticeable so it could be the reduction in cortison in his
system causing the problem. We're not sure if he is in pain or not - he has
always been one of those very stoical males except when one of his feline
support crew bat him when they walk past. The vet often comments on how
incredibly good he was through all the treatment he had. Is flaxseed oil an
option?
I find living with a cushingoid pet a bit like being on a roller coast - never
sure when the highs or lows are coming. Without this list I doubt if we could
cope as well as we 'hope' we are. It is pretty lonely down here as apart from
my vet there is no-one else we know who has these problems with their baby.....
So many many thanks to everyone for their sharing.
Ann, John & Kelly (who is rapt to be an Internet star )

janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:47:41 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: positive & negative
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An option to consider for the aches and pains of joints is something like
Cosequin, Cartiflex or glycosamine sulfate. Talk with your vet about these, I
think you have access to the glycosamine sulfate, not sure about the others.

 

--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:49:19 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Penny
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>Toni,
>
> Do you own a litter or an animal rescue shelter? Who are Brandy,
>Bridget,
>Duffy, Georgie, Bo and Gabe? And is Penny doing okay now?
>
>Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
>trw@virginia.edu

Hi!
I guess I should go through the introductions. I forgot about that here.
Brandy was my first dachshund who died 1 year ago yesterday at the age of
14 years after having her teeth cleaned. Bridget is 13 and is from the same
pair of dachshunds that Brandy came from. Duffy is the only son of Bridget
and is 9 years old. Penny is Duffy's mate and is our Cushing's dog who
will be 8 on May 6. Georgie is from the first litter that Penny and Duffy
had with us and just turned 3. She is Gabe's mother. Gabe is 8 months old
and the terror of our house. He keeps Penny going all the time. Bo is from
Duffy and Penny too and is 2 years old.
It does look like we are running a rescue shelter doesn't it with 6 dogs in
the house. We do not have children, so we have the 4 legged babies.
Penny had a big setback last week when we had to take her off her annipryl
for a week and give her coritsone to help her come back to us. She was
looking pretty bad. She is on half of her old annipryl dose now and doing
pretty well. She walks away from the water dish now where we had to holler
at her to stop drinking so much. She even leaves food in her dish where she
would push the others away from their food dishes to eat theirs after she
finished hers.
Thanks for reminding me to introduce my kids.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:57:41 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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>Hi Liza-
>
>Welcome to our "family"!
>
>I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
>experience with our little Melissa.
>
>>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>>same?
>
>Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of only
>~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
>often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
>cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications, 1)
>Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they produce
>less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is pretty
>harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
>normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
>hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when the
>HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that I
>hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate for
>Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
>works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
>how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).
>
>>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?
>
>The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
>source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use Lysodren,
>he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his life.
>
>>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>>changes can I expect to see?
>
>Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
>dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction in
>Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading dose.
> As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
>and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
>maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with Lysodren.
>
>>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to be
>>significantly shortened because of this?
>
>I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature as
>averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
>expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was diagnosed,
>how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has, etc.
>You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
>life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
>quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost four
>years!
>
>>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?
>
>We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always had
>a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems that
>the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.
>
>> Boomer doesn't seem
>>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he gonna
>>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>>better.
>
>Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
>Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
>reduction in her drinking.
>
>I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
>make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.
>
>Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
>Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks Doreen!)
>to be on the web page sometime soon.
>
>-Leslie

Thanks for posting this letter! I found it very informative.

Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo, and Gabe.

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:07 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: Cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Winchester
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Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
was negative and I was so happy. Now all I have to do is cope with his
diabetes and not with Cushing also..I think he realize how happy I was
he when outside and for the first time in two weeks since I found out he
had diabetes he played ball and chase his sister Morgan and had a good
old time and so did I, it warm my heart and made my day to see him so
happy and playful, now we can just get him regulated everything will be
alright..he has to go back to vet Thursday so they can try and regulate
his insulin. I want to think everyone for there kindness and help and I
will still be reading and writing.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:50:34 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Chester:

I know my lab, Rosie, had a low intake on Anipryl and high BG even on insulin.
Since we have switched her to Lysodren and are having luck in reducing insulin
instead of increasing it. Is Gretyl a dog or cat with Cushings also? Rosie
is at the vet's for her first ACTH test today. Picking her up soon and
meeting with the vet. Each animal acts differently. Hope you get in a
routine soon. Keep us informed.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:52:43 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Chester and Sandy:

I think the little amount of water has to do with the Anipryl/Deprenyl. Rosie
did the same thing.

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:52:37 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tea Tree Oil
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Susan.....

What is the tea tree oil good for? Does it soften the pads?
Unfortunately, I have never heard of the oil and don't have a clue what
it's for. Schonus has one paw now that literally has no pad on
it....just skin. My Vet explained to me that if this keeps recurring he
will have to do surgery consisting of slicing away the pads and then
pack them with antibiotics. Seems rather barbaric to me!!!!

Now for my usual questions of the week....how long does it take for the
ravenous appetite to at least start to decrease? I'm about ready to
lose a finger or two! Also, Schonus has been on continual antibiotics
now for months....doesn't this raise havoc with the kidneys???

Jackie.....when Schonus had his terrible ear infections he was placed on
Otomax which is a corticosteroid. It was either that or Panalog which
is another steroid. Now I'm nervous....he was only on it for one week
and I told my Vet I wasn't too happy about using it but I guess I had no
other choice.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:58:35 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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Congratulations Sandy and Winchester on the good news!

>From Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:02:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Missing Link
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Lisa.....

In the info that Missing Link mailed to me I noticed that the "Super
Premium LC Health Food" contained chicken, rice and lamb. So I was
wondering if I could just give him the Dry Water by itself. Schonus
also has a history of chronic colitis so I guess maybe I'll check on the
"Exclude" with my Vet. Maybe I can combine those two???? Right now
he's only on Hill's Maintenance Lite and he gets Solid Gold Sea Meal
powder once a day.

Thank you soooo much for your help/info!

Linda & Schonus

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:14:54 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Something Happy
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Dillon.....

That's the GREATEST news! Don't forget to post his pic on your HP!

Linda

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:42 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom,

Our Arthur had been quite overweight for some time , but I just chose to
attribute it to inactivity ( he had two cruciate surgeries a few years ago and
has subsequent arthritis) as well as being ashamedly overfed. As I look back,
I think his PU/PD started in about May of last year. I didn't realize just how
much water he was drinking until I discovered that my husband was ALSO filling
all the water containers every day. With six beasties in the house we have a
lot of water available. After this discovery I started to watch him very
closely as far as water and urination were concerned. Much to my dismay, I
found that he was at times having accidents in the house. We had previously
thought it was our pup doing this, but now we know that the old boy just
couldn't wait all night and didn't want to wake us.

His ALP on the chem panel that first week of testing was 2280! All other
results were perfectly normal. The low dose dex showed that he suppressed at
the four hour mark, but had jumped right back up to his original high level of
cortisol at the 8 hour mark. So, diagnosis early Cushing's and on to the
Anipryl. I am so glad it is working for him. He is not the kind of dog who
appreciates a lot of fuss and medicine. He is part chow (but looks like a
corgi with longer hair) and is a bit aloof at times even though he was bottle
raised in my home. I would hate to have to do a lot of other treatment with
him, but I suppose in time we may have to. He is such a wonderful
dog...........we would do anything to keep him happy and comfortable.

May I suggest a new book that is out that will make us all feel good....it is
called
"Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul". I got an advance copy from the
publisher and have read it all just today. It was at times a tear-jerker, but
overall a big smile maker. It does so help to realize that about half the
world is just as crazy about their little creatures as we are.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:19:46 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Tea Tree Oil
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Leslie....

Thanx so much for the offer! That's so nice of you! Like I've said
before...I live in an extremely small town...heck a one horse town!! If
I can't find it within the next few days...and if it will help....I'll
even drive down there to get some!

Do you know if paw pads regrow????? He has quite a few pads that are
now nothing but bare skin.

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:23:29 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Thanks Leslie. I will check it out!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:36:46 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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LInda,

"Dry Water " is a complete and balanced food, but I would probably use it as a
top dressing for whatever kibble you use. I mix up some and then put dry food
in it and stir it up and serve......quite yummy according to my houseful of
taste-testers. ( Of course, these dogs will eat from the cat box too!
GROSS!!!!!)

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:35:29 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Ann, John & Kelly.....

That's one of the reasons why we had Schonus' hair clipped short...he
was panting so much during the first warm weather. That's when I really
noticed how much his hair had thinned out! He has been on Lysodren now
for four months and he still hasn't gotten much hair back. Don't laugh
but I got out my "needles" and knitted him a couple of sweaters for our
Winter. His belly was still quite bare and I figured it wouldn't hurt
him. Boy, talk about insulting him!!! He wouldn't even go near the
door when I first got it on him. I kept telling him "What a pretty boy"
but he gave me looks like I had insulted his manliness!!!

I've never heard of the "recipe" that the Vet recommended to you but
then again....who knows with this disease!! Let us know how it works!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:37:56 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Thanks Judy and Rosie, I did allot of praying this past weekend waiting
for his results and luckily are prayers were answer.
Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:38:07 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Linda,

Another name for tea tree is Melaleuca alternafolia.......maybe you can find
it by that name.

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:40:37 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Lisa....

Bless your heart! I don't know how you do it!! I'm sure he'll eat it
as his appetite is still ravenous and it doesn't matter what we give him
so long as we're giving him something. Heck...the other day he even ate
one of my cat's fury little mice! He had it in his mouth at the same
time we gave him a cookie and decided to swallow both!!! Hopefully,
this too shall pass!!

Again, thanx for much for you help!

Linda & Schonus

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:47:35 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
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Lisa...

Is this to be used only on pads or pads plus skin in between? How is it
beneficial?

Linda

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:57:07 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Linda,

It is sort of similar in action to aloe vera, only supposed to be much more
potent. You can get it at pet stores under the brand name "Mela Miracle", IN
fact, I think Foster and Smith hav eit in their catalogs.

 

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:49:00 EDT
From: Adrenal <Adrenal@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In a message dated 98-04-20 15:38:52 EDT, you write:

<< >related or adreanal. >>

A low dose dex test does not differentiate pituitaryt vs adrenal based
Cushings disease. Only a high does dex test does. Another good screening
test (such as the low dose dex test) is a urine cortisol creatinine ratio.

 

Actually you can use the LDDS to not only diagnose hyperadrenocorticism but in
60-70% of the dogs we can also tell if it is pituitary dependent (PDH). This
is based by finding suppression at the 4 hour sample with escape at 8 hours.
If we dont see 50% suppression at either 4 or 8 hours then we go to a HDDS,
plasma ACTH or an US.


>> In many cases, Cushingnoid dogs will have normal low dose dex test and the
next step (if all clinical and biochemical signs are there) is often the high
dose test. <<

You cant do a HDDS if the LDDS is normal but we can do an ACTH stimulation
test or a UCCR to help get the diagnosis. You can get normal ACTH and LDDS
tests initially in about 10% of dogs with the disease.

Dave Bruyette

 

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:27:11 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi everyone -

Vincent has *another* ear infection. He hasn't had one since he was
first diagnosed with Cushing's back in January. He had a terrible one
then, one that wouldn't clear up and led to the Cushing's test in the
first place.

My vet doesn't want to use one of the steroid medications you mentioned
because of the Cushing's. She says it's a yeast infection, and she has
me treating it with as ear wash called Oticalm, 3x a day. It seems to
be helping, or at least keeping it at bay.

I was wondering, though... Vincent had bronchitis a couple of weeks
ago, and was put on an antibiotic. I've heard that antibiotics can
cause yeast infections, as they kill whatever it is that kills the
developing yeast. I'm thinking of starting to feed him yogurt every day
(I'll check this out with my vet first, of course). Yogurt with
acidophilus cultures is supposed to help prevent yeast infections. Poor
Vincent, he's been through such hell with those darned floppy ears.

Take care,

Sandy and Vincent

L Boyce wrote:

>Also, Schonus has been on continual antibiotics
> now for months....doesn't this raise havoc with the kidneys???
>
> Jackie.....when Schonus had his terrible ear infections he was placed on
> Otomax which is a corticosteroid. It was either that or Panalog which
> is another steroid. Now I'm nervous....he was only on it for one week
> and I told my Vet I wasn't too happy about using it but I guess I had no
> other choice.
>
> Linda & Schonus

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:36:32 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: test results (was Dudley Cushings)
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Dear Dr. Bruyette,

Thanks for the added info....

Michelle

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:05:22 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Sandy and Winchester:

We are so happy for you both. Rosie is home from her ACTH test and we hope to
get the results tomorrow. My vet is hoping that the diabetic condition Rosie
has is only temporary once we get the Cushing's under control. She had a
negative BG urine test again this a.m. So we are starting her tomorrow on
only 13 units of insulin! Quite a breakthrough from 19 units last Thursday.
It appears the Lysodren is doing the trick.

Keep your paws crossed!

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:16:36 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy and Rosie

I am glad that Lysodren is doing the trick for Rosie, Winchester goes
back to vet Thursday and I am praying his blood sugar is alright but I
kind of doudt it, having all kinds of trouble regulating him and I am
doing exactly as I have been told he eats one hour before his injection
and then he gets 20 units and then 12 hours in gets another 20 and so
far his blood sugar is to high but at 30 he bottom outs, He is eating
nothing but Hills w/d in cans and also in dry and he is not to happy
about that, I am hoping as soon as we get him under control I can fix
him something else, because he is always hungry. Good Luck to you and
Rosie.

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:29:13 EDT
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Sandy and Winchester:

Just in case I have failed to mention it, there is another group of really
wonderful caring individuals whose pets are diabetic. Some cat and dog
parents, some with Cushings and diabetes and some diabetes. In case you are
interested in joining in here's is how:

Majordomo@majordomo.esosoft.com, no subject line, and (in body of message)
write Subscribe Muffin and your name.

Good luck on getting Winchester regulated.

Judy and Rosie

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Anybody want to reach out here? When these posts occasionally appear on
the Cushing's list, no one from there ever mentions Muffin, so maybe we
should. I don't think this is already a member here, but if so, then
that's good.
Hilary

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Subject: Winchester
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:29:07 -0700
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Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
was negative and I was so happy. Now all I have to do is cope with his
diabetes and not with Cushing also..I think he realize how happy I was
he when outside and for the first time in two weeks since I found out he
had diabetes he played ball and chase his sister Morgan and had a good
old time and so did I, it warm my heart and made my day to see him so
happy and playful, now we can just get him regulated everything will be
alright..he has to go back to vet Thursday so they can try and regulate
his insulin. I want to think everyone for there kindness and help and I
will still be reading and writing.

Sandy and Winchester
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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At 11:29 PM 4/15/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Was it adrenal or pituitary Cushings???
>M. Brownstein DVM
>http://www.petsandvet.com
>
>I just found out about 5 minutes ago that Dudley's Cushings is pituitary.
He will start Deprenyl tomorrow.

Thanks, Jan Glover, Seattle

 

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:46:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
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Brenda:

Thank you for such a terrific response about feeding. It really solidifies
some of the intuition I had about feeding Rosie more than twice a day. I am
sure this speaks to several of us. Thanks again.

Judy and Rosie

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:52:51 -0500
From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
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L Boyce wrote:
> Susan.....
> What is the tea tree oil good for?

I'm not Susan, but here is what "Complementary and
Alternative Veterinary Medicine: Principles and
Practice" (Schoen), has to say, in part:
it's widely used as an antibiotic and fungicide, and
it used in some pet shampoos to repel fleas.
Toxicity and cautions:
1. Do not use tree oil internally.
2. Tea tree oil can cause minor reactions (rash) in
allergic individuals.
3. High external dosages can also cause weakness,
incoordination, tremors, and depression in animals.

Would your dog lick his paws if this was on them?
That would seem to be a caution.
Jeri

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:58 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Lisa,
Your tip about using a few drops of vegetable oil in the feeding syringes is
super! It works like a charm. (Why didn't we think of the before?!)

Clea is getting very tired of her Hill's Prescription Diet u/d through a
syringe. She prefers to eat on her own, and our vet has been working with
us to find food she might like. But, we are running out of ideas, and we
wonder if you would share with us what you feed your "renal baby."
Thanks.

P.S. Also, any ideas and suggestions from anyone else as well would be most
welcome and appreciated.

Thanks again.
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:25:25 EDT
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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For $9 plus shipping, you might want to consider an herbal ear wash by Noan's
Kingdom in New Jersey. You can ask for Michael or Harvey at 908-933-1001.

It is a product that keeps their ears clean and deters ear mites and other
irritants away naturally. It is an herbal earwash that is made in a base of
witch hazel - an astringent. It also contains: calendula, yellow dock,
mullein, garlic, tea tree oil, eucalyptus, clove and sage. It is a synergestic
blend of 9 healing herbs (5 essential oils and 4 herbal extracts).

It has been formulated to eliminate the use of stinging alcohol when cleaning
pets' ears - combined to provide fast relief when ears itch, smell or appear
to be sore or greasy.

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:27:50 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
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Sandy,

There are medications that can treat the yeast without steroids in them......
Miconizole comes in a liquid that you can use. Ask your vet....I use it all
the time for yeasty years and ringworm.

 

If you want to go the natural route...a few drops of white vinegar in each ear
will help because it changes the pH of the ear and yeast are inhibited
somewhat. He will smell like a pickle, but it may help his problem.

 

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:38:47 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom,

My "kidney kid" is eating canned K/D and FRR senior kibble ( only a little).
Her creatintines are staying less than 3.0 on this , so I am letting her stay
with it. She is a 13 year old beagle who has had in the past auto-immune
hemolytic anemia, so after that this little kidney stuff isn't so bad. In
fact, I really don't consider her in outright kidney failure at this time
because she is doing so well and is pretty much fat and happy. We only found
her high BUN and Cr when doing a presurgical blood panel before removing some
little skin bumps.

Hill's publishes a flyer that has on it recipes for making the various
prescription diets at home. I am sure that your vet has some. If not, let me
know and I will try to mail you one if you can supply an address. The recipes
are fairly simple and use ingredients that you already have at home. I used
the restricted protein one for a cat we had once that lived at the clinic for
over two years...He refused to eat any of the prescription diets at all, then
gave up eating altogether. The day I cooked the homemade diet up for him he
ate it well and lived on it and an occasional mousie for about two years.

Good Luck!

Lisa

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:16:34 -0700
From: Sandra Johnson <sjohn@ntr.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Judy and Rosie thanks for the Muffins I am subscribing because I need
all the help I can get and all the understanding from pet lovers who are
living with and ill pet. Thanks again

Sandy and Winchester

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:01:40 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: DFRS2 Re: anipryl/diabetes & water
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Gretle is a female dachshund who is diabetic and is being treated for
cushings. She only had one ACTH stimulation test. Her baseline Cortisol
was 7.1 ug/dl and post stimulation was 28.4 ug/dl. I have only done a few
BG tests so really do not know what is going on exactly from using
dipsticks. Since this was her first week on insulin I am still in the
observing phase.
chester
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>Chester:
>
>I know my lab, Rosie, had a low intake on Anipryl and high BG even on
insulin.
>Since we have switched her to Lysodren and are having luck in reducing
insulin
>instead of increasing it. Is Gretyl a dog or cat with Cushings also?
Rosie
>is at the vet's for her first ACTH test today. Picking her up soon and
>meeting with the vet. Each animal acts differently. Hope you get in a
>routine soon. Keep us informed.
>
>Judy and Rosie
>

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:45:51 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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Hurray for you you and Winchester!! Sounds like he was as happy with the
good news as you, Sandy.

-Leslie

At 06:29 PM 4/20/98 -0700, Sandra Johnson wrote:
>Wanted to tell everyone that Winchester's test came back today and it
>was negative and I was so happy.
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:17:40 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Winchester
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I'm very happy for the both of you. Dealing with one of these is bad enough.

Please take care, and give Winchester a big hug from everybody here (that
should take a few days and make him one happy puppy!)

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:42:55 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: anipryl & ACTH stimulation test
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I just received copies of Gretle's(dachshund) one and only cushings =
test- ACTH stimulation. She has been on 10mg anipryl since February and =
water intake has slowed but BG is still high. Her baseline cortisol was =
7.1 ug/dl and post ACTH stimulation was 28.4 ug/dl. Her Glucose was =
390.5 mg/dl. This was done on 2-21-98 and Vet said that he would rather =
treat by symptoms rather than by another test except for blood glucose. =
Her blood chemistry on 2--7-98 had High Alb, ALKP, Ca, Chol & phos, low =
CREA. Her chemestry on 4-13-98, the date of her first insulin injection =
showed ALB & Alkp still high but lower, Her Ca & Chol were down to =
normal and the Crea dropped some, still being low, her glucose was =
425.6. This was after about six weeks of anipryl. Her only symptoms =
were weight loss & pd/pu. Is this without a doubt Cushings and with =
reduction of symptoms, the 10 mg of anipryl for 13 lb dog the right =
treatment along with the insulin? I read the earlier posts and some =
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:47:59 -0600
From: floyd@zianet.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Tom White wrote:
>
> Lisa,
> Your tip about using a few drops of vegetable oil in the feeding syringes is
> super! It works like a charm. (Why didn't we think of the before?!)
>
> Clea is getting very tired of her Hill's Prescription Diet u/d through a
> syringe. She prefers to eat on her own, and our vet has been working with
> us to find food she might like. But, we are running out of ideas, and we
> wonder if you would share with us what you feed your "renal baby."
> Thanks.
>
> P.S. Also, any ideas and suggestions from anyone else as well would be most
> welcome and appreciated.
>
> Thanks again.
> Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
> trw@virginia.edu

Tom,

I feed Cybil the diet for dogs with renal problems listed in one of my
pet health food books: 2 cups cooked brown rice or barley, 1/2 cup
chopped or ground chicken ( I cook it, but I suspect raw is better), 3/4
cup canned green beans (any kind of vegetable will work, but Cybil loves
canned green beans). I give half of this morning and half evening. I
also sprinkle 2 tablespoons of chopped parsnip on top each serving.
Parsnips are particularly good for renal problems. She has been eating
it for months now and seems to like it. It is low in protein and fat
which is good for renal problems. She has actually lost some weight on
it, which she needed to do. I also supplement with vitamins and
minerals, much like has already been posted. If you would like exact
title and author of book, let me know. It is at home, and I'm at work.
Good Luck.

Patti & Cybil

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:21:15 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who welcomed Boomer and me to
the list, and thanks for all the information. It did help, although I
still feel a bit unsure about what's going to happen next. Still
waiting for results of test to tell if its pituitary of adrenal related
Cushing's. Should be back tomorrow. I get the feeling that with this
illness, you just take it one day at a time, enjoy the good days and
endure the not so good days. At least I am prepared for the fact that
it may not be a bed of roses all the time.
I do feel great comfort in know that ya'll are here to help along the
way. Just another wonderful benefit we would not have if it weren't for
the internet, as well as the loving caring people that are so willing to
help and share with others. My sincerest thanks to all of you for being
here :) I don't feel so all alone now!

See Ya! -- Liza and the GatorPoos

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:37:56 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
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Dillon,

That's fantastic news about your new pup! A name. We'll be anxiously
waiting for your pup's name and more details.

Best,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:40:43 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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Dear Leslie,
Thank you so much for the information! It was most helpful. And
thank you for the list and the Cushing's page. I ran across it a couple
months ago, before we knew Boomer had Cushings and did not give it but a
short glance. But this time when I saw it, I took it all in! I have
been trying to get as much information on Cushings as possible since
Boomer was tested for it. When I picked Boomer up that day I talked to
my vet for quite a while about it, and he said I knew more about it than
some of his first year students! Wait til I tell him what I've learned
since I last talked to him!
Again thanks for all the good stuff!

-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, you're so smart to be learning 'bout this
disease I have!)

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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:21:36 -0500
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From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long

Hi Liza-

Welcome to our "family"!

I'll take a stab at some of your questions, based mostly on my own
experience with our little Melissa.

>1. Why do they need to know the difference? Isn't the treatment the
>same?

Not necessarily. If the Cushing's is adrenal in origin (the cause of
only
~15% of cases), the tumor causing the excessive cortisol production can
often be surgically removed. Pituitary tumors (which cause ~85% of all
cases of Cushing's) are typically treated with one of three medications,
1)
Lysodren, which destroys parts of the adrenal glands so that they
produce
less coritsol; this drug has a relatively high success rate but is
pretty
harsh stuff; 2) Anipryl, which, according to the manufacturer, promotes
normalization of dopamine metabolism, thereby improving
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis regulation. (Cushing's occurs when
the
HPA axis is out of whack--stay tuned for the graphic of this system that
I
hope to have posted to the web page soon.) The treatment success rate
for
Anipryl is not as good as with Lysodren; and 3) Ketaconazole which also
works on the adrenal side of the equation, but I don't remember exactly
how (I'll follow up with the answer as soon as I dig it out).

>2. Treatment: We haven't started it yet, but I understand it is just
>medication he will take for the rest of his life? Is that all?

The answer to this question depends on your treatment option. If the
source of Boomer's Cushing's is pituitary and you decide to use
Lysodren,
he'll probably require meds and bloodwork regularly for the rest of his
life.

>3. How soon after treatment begins should we see any changes, and what
>changes can I expect to see?

Again, if you use Lysodren to treat Boomer, you'll go through a "loading
dose", a hefty, daily dose of the drug. You'll probably see a reduction
in
Boomer's appetite and thirst within 6-9 days of beginning the loading
dose.
As I recall, many--but certainly not all--folks see renewed hair growth
and behavior approaching normalcy within a few weeks of going on the
maintenance therapy (typically a once or twice a week dosage) with
Lysodren.

>4. Here's the one that really scares me....is Boomer's life going to
be
>significantly shortened because of this?

I've seen the life expectancy of Cushinoid dogs noted in the literature
as
averaging 24 months past diagnosis, but, of course, Boomer's life
expectancy will depend more on factors such as how early he was
diagnosed,
how well he responds to treatment, what other health problems he has,
etc.
You'll see from a quick look at our gallery, that we run the spectrum in
life expectancies, with some dogs like my Melissa succumbing pretty
quickly, to others like little Ivan living with the disease for almost
four
years!

>I get the feeling that many of your furbabies are really sick or don't
>eat much? Are all Cushing's dogs really sick and don't eat much?

We had a terrible time getting our little girl to eat, but she'd always
had
a weak appetite. I've heard the same from others, too, but it seems
that
the majority of the pups still have decent appetites.

> Boomer doesn't seem
>sick, he's just bald, hungry, thirsty and has to pee a lot. Is he
gonna
>get worse? It is my understanding the with medication he will get
>better.

Treatment should help those symptoms abate. Even in the very short time
Missy lived with the disease after treatment, we saw hair growth and a
reduction in her drinking.

I hope that these answers help, Liza. Thanks for posting them. They'll
make a great contribution to the currently-being-produced FAQ page.

Look for it, a transcribed article on treating pituitary-dependent
Cushing's, and notes from a Scottie seminar on Cushing's (thanks
Doreen!)
to be on the web page sometime soon.

-Leslie

 

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:54:54 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Introduction - Long
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In my own experience, I found that I was much better equipped to talk to
the vet and help in Melissa's monitoring and treatment after I understood
the disease. The more I learned, the more I realized that there was so
very much I didn't know! But at least I knew better what questions to ask.

Thanks for your kind words. Believe me, facilitating the Cushing's forum
and web page is a piece of cake when compared to caring for a Cushinoid
pup. It's each of you who are doing the really hard work!

-Leslie

At 10:40 AM 4/21/98 PDT, Liza Klosterman wrote:
>Dear Leslie,
> Thank you so much for the information! It was most helpful. And
>thank you for the list and the Cushing's page. I ran across it a couple
>months ago, before we knew Boomer had Cushings and did not give it but a
>short glance. But this time when I saw it, I took it all in! I have
>been trying to get as much information on Cushings as possible since
>Boomer was tested for it. When I picked Boomer up that day I talked to
>my vet for quite a while about it, and he said I knew more about it than
>some of his first year students! Wait til I tell him what I've learned
>since I last talked to him!
> Again thanks for all the good stuff!
>
>-- Liza and Boomer(Mom, you're so smart to be learning 'bout this
>disease I have!)

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:37:58 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Hi, just thought I'd add that another alternative for treating ear
infections is those products we women use for yeast infections! I got
this from the poodle list I'm on. Anyone who owns poodles will
eventually have ear problems, although I have been extremely lucky with
my 3, no infections in 11 years!! If interested in this treatment let
me know and I'll ask for the exact dosage.

-- Liza and the GatorPoos

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From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)

Hi everyone -

Vincent has *another* ear infection. He hasn't had one since he was
first diagnosed with Cushing's back in January. He had a terrible one
then, one that wouldn't clear up and led to the Cushing's test in the
first place.

My vet doesn't want to use one of the steroid medications you mentioned
because of the Cushing's. She says it's a yeast infection, and she has
me treating it with as ear wash called Oticalm, 3x a day. It seems tom
be helping, or at least keeping it at bay.

I was wondering, though... Vincent had bronchitis a couple of weeks
ago, and was put on an antibiotic. I've heard that antibiotics can
cause yeast infections, as they kill whatever it is that kills the
developing yeast. I'm thinking of starting to feed him yogurt every day
(I'll check this out with my vet first, of course). Yogurt with
acidophilus cultures is supposed to help prevent yeast infections. Poor
Vincent, he's been through such hell with those darned floppy ears.

Take care,

Sandy and Vincent

 

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:02:28 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections (was Tea Tree Oil)
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Very clever, Liza!

One of our kitties (Jezebel, our two year old calico love bug of a daddy's
girl) got an ear infection while we were dealing with Missy's Cushing's.
You can't even imagine how badly it pained me to fill her ears with steriod
cream while at the same time fighting the effects of steroids in my beloved
dog!

If my Jelly-Belly kitty ever turns up with another ear infection, I'll be
sure to ask our vet about using the over-the-counter anti-yeast creams.
Thanks for passing on the suggestion.

I guess before we all run out to buy stock in Gyno-Lotrimin (sp?), I should
put this question out to the vets on the list: do you see any problems
with using these products in our little ones' ears?

-Leslie

 

 

At 03:37 PM 4/21/98 PDT, Liza Klosterman wrote:
>Hi, just thought I'd add that another alternative for treating ear
>infections is those products we women use for yeast infections! I got
>this from the poodle list I'm on. Anyone who owns poodles will
>eventually have ear problems, although I have been extremely lucky with
>my 3, no infections in 11 years!! If interested in this treatment let
>me know and I'll ask for the exact dosage.
>
>-- Liza and the GatorPoos

 

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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:03:32 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sandy....

I know what you mean about ear infections!! As soon as I get the staph
infection cleared up...I'm faced with another ear infection! My Vet
also said it was caused by a yeast from the antibiotics fo