CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 33
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Cushings and Anipryl
by "Vernon M. Tallman" <vtallman@aol.com>
2) Re: Correct Info
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
3) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
4) Introduction..
by dsedor@fisnet.com (Sedor, Dennis M. - Fiserv)
5) Sad News
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
6) Re: Sad News
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
7) Re: Sad News
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
8) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
9) Re: Sad News
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
10) Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
11) New to list
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
12) List
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
13) Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
14) Re: pls give complete info on dosage
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
15) List intro
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
16) Re: List intro
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
17) Re: Sad News
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
18) Re: Sad News
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
19) Re: Sad News
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
20) Details for the list
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
21) Re: Details for the list
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
22) Re: Sad News
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
23) Air travel with a Cushings dog
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
24) Thank you
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
25) Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
by CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
26) Re: Sad News
by Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
27) Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
28) Re: Sad News
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
29) Sad News
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
30) Complete Info
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
31) list info
by Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
32) Re: Cushings and Anipryl
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
33) Re: Introduction..
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
34) Re: Sad News
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
35) Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
36) Help!
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
37) Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
38) Re: list info
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
39) Cushing's Pets: Welcome
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
40) Re: New to list
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
41) Re: Help!
by "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
42) Re: Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
43) Re: Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
44) Re: Sad News
by kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
45) Re: Air travel with a Cushings dog
by "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
46) Lysodren and Sunny update
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
47) subscription instructions
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
48) Conversion between SI and Mass units
by EKAPLAN@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU
49) Re: Conversion between SI and Mass units
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
50) Re: Introduction..
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
51) Re: subscription instructions
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
52) Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
by Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
53) somogyi plus herb for skin & foot cuts
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
54) Sad News
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
55) Re: somogyi plus herb for skin & foot cuts
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
56) help needed
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
57) Re: help needed
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
58) Re: help needed
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
59) Re: help needed
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
60) Re: help needed
by LCady <LCady@aol.com>
61) Re: Sad News
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
62) Re: Air travel with a Cushings dog
by LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
63) Re: help needed
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
64) Re: help needed
by Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
65) Re: help needed
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
66) progress report
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
67) Re: [MUFFIN] QUESTION OF WEEK: HYPOGLYCEMIA
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
68) Re: help needed
by Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
69) Re: progress report
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
70) Kelly's home
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
71) Re: Jesse Starts Treatment
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
72) The "Missing Link" supplement
by Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
73) Cushing's Gallery Addition
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
74)
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
75) Re: Rigsby (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
76) Re: The "Missing Link" supplement
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
77) Re: Rigsby (fwd)
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
78) Re: Rigsby (fwd)
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
79) Kelly's progress
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
80) Re: Rigsby (fwd)
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
81) Turning Point
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
82) Re: Kelly's progress
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
83) What now??!!
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
84) Milk Thistle for Liver problems
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
85) Jesse Starts Treatment
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
86) Please unsubscribe
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
87) Confused!
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
88) Looking up!
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
89) Re: Confused!
by Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
90) Re: Please unsubscribe
by Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
91) RE: Please unsubscribe
by "Jacquelyn P. Adams" <jacci@neo.lrun.com>
92) Progress of Terible Ted
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
93) Re: Progress of Terible Ted
by DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
94) Re: Sad News
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
95) Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
96) Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
97) Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
by DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
98) Re: Progress of Terible Ted
by Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
99) Picky Eater
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
100) Re: Progress of Terible Ted
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
101) Re: Picky Eater
by Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
102) Re: Picky Eater
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
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Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 23:14:40 -0700
From: "Vernon M. Tallman" <vtallman@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushings and Anipryl
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Hi,
We rescued an Australian Shepard in March and, duirng the vet
check-ups, found out that she has Cushings. This website and Listserver
and been one of the better sources of information on the affliction.
Sophie had many of the classic symptoms - panting a lot, drinking lots
of water, heavy, large around the middle, dry skin. Although our vet is
new to Anipryl, the drug sounded promising with it's milder side-effects
when compared to Lysodren and we voiced a desire to try it out.
For the first month, the progress was slight. I cautiously report that
there appears to be some progress in the second month. We have
maintained a record of weight and body measurements as an objective
record of the drug's effects. In addition, we have had blood tests for
the initial diagnosis, after the first month, and planned folloiwng the
second month of treatment. At $2.00 per 30mg pill, the drug is not
cheap. However, I expect that if things continue to improve (even
slightly), we'll continue with Anipryl.
We set up a web site as a diary of Sophie's story and progress (2
pages). Anyone interested can see it at
http://members.aol.com/vtallman/sophie.htm
We wish the best to all of those loved pets that are coping with this
disease.
Vern Tallman (vtallman@aol.com)
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:54:49 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Correct Info
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Susan:
"Arthur", a corgi sort , weighs 50 lbs and is taking 30 mg
of Anipryl daily.
He is also on Rimadyl, 75 mg ( 1/2 tablet twice daily) as well as ester
C and
vit E.
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:59:21 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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I could not agree with Judy more....each one of these little buggers
is unique
. In fact, my own mother's dog has been with me the past week to be "worked
up" for possible Cushing's and he has every possible clinical sign(
but very
mild), but normal dex supressions and acth stims.....In his case, we are
going
to go ahead with Anipryl since it won't hurt him at all and see what happens.
So far he has been on it fo r5 days and already the water consumption is
down!
I suppose he may be one of those "pre-cushing's " dogs we sometimes
see....
Lisa
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:45:12 -0400
From: dsedor@fisnet.com (Sedor, Dennis M. - Fiserv)
To: "Cushing's List" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Introduction..
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This is my first post to this list - I am 'owned by' a 13 1/2 year
old
pug called Sofia....she has been through an awful lot the past 3 years (tail
amputation,back surgery,UTI's, ear infections, hypothyroidism, etc..) and
now it appears she has Cushing's - her first ACH test was borderline - but
she exhibits almost all of the symptoms - so she was put on Anipryl a few
weeks ago - and will be re-tested after a month.
The Anipryl 'seems' to be helping, but she continues to drink LOTS of
water and urinates literally every 1/2 hour. .Our vets have no idea where
the urine is all coming from, and have no thoughts about what to do...is
this volume of urine excessive, even for a Cushinoid dog? Is there
something else that could be causing this ???
Is there a web site that can tell me exactly what tests Sofia should
have done to positively diagnose the Cushings ??
Thanks in advance for the information!
Dennis Sedor dsedor@fisnet.com
Fiserv Orlando
(800) 234-7015 x728
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:40:35 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: "CUSHINGS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Sad News
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My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one of the
complications of Cushing's. Ginger, 7-1/2 year old female black, miniature
schnauzer was on 10 mg. Anipryl since July, 1997, died peacefully in my
husbands' arms on the way home from the Emergency Vet. She had been having
breathing problems which took a sudden turn for the worse and ended up
struggling for breath. The emergency vet gave her lasix and valium in an
attempt to ease her breathing, but in the end her lungs just gave up and
so
did she. We were working with our vet to find an answer to her lung
problems and I had an appointment with an internal medicine specialist
today. Evidently, the fibrosis and nodules in her lungs were the
beginnings (we think) of lung cancer. We never dreamed we would lose her
so soon. During the past week her Cushing's had returned increased water,
urination, hair loss, bumps in her skin even though two ACTH tests within
two weeks showed her levels were normal and that the Anipryl was doing its
job.
I am glad she is no longer suffering, thankfully it was only for an evening
and she took the decision of letting go out of our hands. I can hardly
see
to type thru the tears as their are three of us grieving here, our 4 year
old male mini, Riker, is despressed and looking for his "big sister".
He
has never been alone without her. We will be getting another buddy for
him
as soon as we can.
Thank you all for the information and tips you have shared that helped
us
to be better informed about Cushing's and I to include an article in my
schnauzer club newsletter about this disease as I wonder how many older
(and younger) dogs have actually died from its complications and there
owners didn't know it.
Sue Okoniewski and Riker (where did she go, Mom?)
Sokoniewski@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:06:43 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
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In a message dated 5/4/1998 9:46:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net writes:
<< My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one
of the
complications of Cushing's. >>
Sue,
My deepest sympathies to you and your husband. You are in my prayers.
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:22:53 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980504142253.0073c388@email.uah.edu>
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Our deepest sympathy to you and your husband and Riker, you are in our
prayers, Jackie, Randy, Sunny and Saphir.
At 10:06 AM 5/4/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/4/1998 9:46:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net writes:
>
><< My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one
of the
> complications of Cushing's. >>
>
>Sue,
>
>My deepest sympathies to you and your husband. You are in my prayers.
>
>Jackie
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:37:16 -0500
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Fergie is a Jack Russell Terrier, 17 lbs. she is on 250 mg Lysodren once
a week
-- Has been maintaining on that for almost 3 years. -- Ruthann
DLowder25 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-05-03 15:35:08 EDT, you write:
>
> << I'm always very interested to hear what dosages of what others
are trying.
> >>
> Mollie Bear is a keeshond mix, 58 pounds and is on 500 mg Lysodren
a week
> (half a pill twice a week = 500 mg/week) and is currently on 18 units
of
> insulin twice a day also. The insulin will probably change again.
We can't
> seem to get that under control yet. It's only been a week. She's
had two
> good days though but seems to be going downhill again. More water
drinking
> and panting and whining the last day or so. (Mollie is 8 years old).
> Debbie & Mollie Bear
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:45:39 -0500
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
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How very sad. Take comfort in the fact that you did everything possible
for
your friend. I'm glad to hear her crisis was not drawn out. What a comfort
to
let go while cradled in Daddy's arms. -- Ruthann
SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI wrote:
> My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one of the
> complications of Cushing's. Ginger, 7-1/2 year old female black, miniature
> schnauzer was on 10 mg. Anipryl since July, 1997, died peacefully in
my
> husbands' arms on the way home from the Emergency Vet. She had been
having
> breathing problems which took a sudden turn for the worse and ended
up
> struggling for breath. The emergency vet gave her lasix and valium
in an
> attempt to ease her breathing, but in the end her lungs just gave up
and so
> did she. We were working with our vet to find an answer to her lung
> problems and I had an appointment with an internal medicine specialist
> today. Evidently, the fibrosis and nodules in her lungs were the
> beginnings (we think) of lung cancer. We never dreamed we would lose
her
> so soon. During the past week her Cushing's had returned increased
water,
> urination, hair loss, bumps in her skin even though two ACTH tests
within
> two weeks showed her levels were normal and that the Anipryl was doing
its
> job.
>
> I am glad she is no longer suffering, thankfully it was only for an
evening
> and she took the decision of letting go out of our hands. I can hardly
see
> to type thru the tears as their are three of us grieving here, our
4 year
> old male mini, Riker, is despressed and looking for his "big sister".
He
> has never been alone without her. We will be getting another buddy
for him
> as soon as we can.
>
> Thank you all for the information and tips you have shared that helped
us
> to be better informed about Cushing's and I to include an article in
my
> schnauzer club newsletter about this disease as I wonder how many older
> (and younger) dogs have actually died from its complications and there
> owners didn't know it.
>
> Sue Okoniewski and Riker (where did she go, Mom?)
> Sokoniewski@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:50:17 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
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Liza and others-
Everyone on the list (but no one who's not subscribed) can access a list
of
subscribers by sending e-mail to <listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
with the
following message in the body:
recipients cushings-pets
--
Each subscriber does have the option of having his/her name omitted from
this list (but still known to me). So far, all subscribers have left their
names visible.
Also, I'm culling through the archived posts to put together a database
on
pets birthdays, diagnosis date, weight, and breed, just to see if I see
any
patterns. If no one has any objections, I could post a table with this
information on the web site, perhaps in a hidden directory, accessible only
by cushings-pets members. Let me know what you think.
I'm also really interested in knowing where everyone lives. If you're
so
inclined to share, please send me an e-mail. Don't send me your street
address, just the city and state (and country for our members who live
outside of the US) you live in or, if you prefer, just the part of the
state (for example, Central Texas--that's where I live!).
Finally, just a reminder: although the Cushings-Pets list is by
subscription only (meaning only subscribed members can post), all posts
to
the Cushings-Pets list are archived and posted to the web site, which is
publicly accessible by anyone.
-Leslie
At 08:59 PM 5/3/98 -0400, Liza Klosterman wrote:
>Does anyone know if it is possible to
>get a list of everyone on the list with the info you supplied when
you
subscribed,
>i.e. Owners name, e-mail address, pets name, breed, date diagnosed,
etc.?
Or is this
>information considerd private or something like that? I would love
to have a
>reference sheet with this kind of information, then we all would not
have
to repeat
>it in our posts so often. Just a thought...
>
>-- Liza and Boomer
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:30:01 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: New to list
Message-ID: <19980504.113003.3750.0.Write2Tom@juno.com>
Hi all,
I am Tom and my 7 year old Mini Schnauzer is being tested tomorrow for
Cushings. She is diabetic and has been impossible to regulate on Insulin
for the past 4 months. She eats like there will not be another meal and
drinks water constantly. She has lost so much weight that she is
uncomfortable being held. Her sister, Uta, a 2 year old black Mini
Schnauzer has an inoperable portosystemic shunt, but is so worried about
her older sister that she has taken to hiding under the bed. I do not
know what to expect from this new development: how well does medication
work? Will this dramatically shorten Jesse's life? How expensive is the
test and medication? We love our dogs and want only the best for them.
Hope to learn a lot from all of you.
Tom, Jesse and Uta
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:38:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: List
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Hi, I can't remember (that's what happens after the age of 40!) if I
posted
my info yet, but here goes.
Dudley is my Cushing's (pituitary) Greyhound. He is around 75 lbs.
He was
diagnosed in April 1998. He has been on Anipryl 30mg a day for 2 weeks
now.
Seems to be going ok. I think we caught the Cushings early on. Dudley
was
born November 15, 1992.
Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:48:11 -0500
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
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A warm welcome to Pat and Sammy (Maltese), who are our 100th subscribers
to
the Cushings-Pets List! Welcome, too, to Tom and Jessie, addition number
101.
And thanks to each of you for making this a warm, supportive, and
informative resource for all of us.
______________
Leslie
Cushing's Listserv and Web Page Facilitator
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:39:50 -0700
From: Susan Kuchinskas <hautlynx@sirius.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: pls give complete info on dosage
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Thanks for everyone who shared this info with me. It's true, each dog
is
different, and I don't want to be sevcond-guessing my vet, but there's a
lot of collective experience on this list, probably more than my vet has
with cushings patients, and I think it's useful to compare. Plus, it gives
me peace of mind if I see that my dog's treatment is in line with others',
so I don't have to obsess with worry (at least not quite so much).
Susan and Amaryllis (14 yrs old, 35 pounds, two loading phases of 375
mg.
lysodren x2, six days and 8 days, no results)
____________________________
Susan Kuchinskas
"The milk that is spilt cries not out afterwards." -- Abraham
Van Helsing,
M.D., D.Ph., D.Lit., etc., etc.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:28:12 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Since we're playing the "getting to know you" game (which is
a great idea!),
here's my introduction:
I am allowed to feed, care for, play with and clean up after four wonderful
canines:
Jessie, a chocolate standard poodle who will be 12 on Thursday. She's
my
Cushings baby, doing very well on Lysodren maintenance, 500 mg once a week.
Charlie is 11 years old, a lab-mix with degenerative spinal disease.
With
prednazone, she's moving around okay and doesn't appear to be in pain.
Abby is a harlequin Great Dane, 125 pounds, 3 years old, healthy, and
an
expert slobberer.
Then there's Hannah, a four-pound toy poodle, 3 years old, healthy, and
the
biggest, loudest mouth of them all.
I'm a home-based freelance writer, specializing in writing for and about
business. I write columns for Entrepreneur magazine, Entrepreneur's Home
Office, and Commercial Law Bulletin, and regularly contribute to a number
of
other publications. Also ghostwrite (which means I write the book or article,
and whoever has the money to pay me puts their name on it). I'm fortunate
that
I can earn a comfortable living and be home with my girls most of the time.
And I don't mind sharing advice with people who want to be writers -- as
long
as you understand that I was hiding behind the door when they passed out
tact.
Jackie Lynn
Winter Park, FL
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:08:44 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
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Vincent is a Liver & White English Springer Spaniel. We just celebrated
his 11th birthday (I made him a carrot cake). Vincent was diagnosed
with Cushing's approximately 4 months ago, and is currently on 250mg of
Lysodren twice a week. He weighs 57 pounds. He is doing well except
for recurrent ear infections, which were what pointed the vets to
Cushing's in the first place.
Vincent and I live in Mid-Missouri.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:00:05 -0500
From: "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Sad News
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Hi Sue. I'm Very sorry to hear about Ginger. My heart is with you. C.B.(my
dog) says "hi" to Riker and says to hang in there. She knows how
it feels.
Linda & C. B.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:03:31 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Sad News
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Our deepest sympathy to you all, we can feel for you and support you
in what
we know is a heart-wrenching time. There are so many people who have the
same fears that you know there is a ground-swell of love.
Dave and Eileen ROBERTS & Terrible Ted
-----Original Message-----
From: SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: CUSHINGS <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 6:48 AM
Subject: Sad News
>My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one of the
>complications of Cushing's. Ginger, 7-1/2 year old female black, miniature
>schnauzer was on 10 mg. Anipryl since July, 1997, died peacefully in
my
>husbands' arms on the way home from the Emergency Vet. She had been
having
>breathing problems which took a sudden turn for the worse and ended
up
>struggling for breath. The emergency vet gave her lasix and valium
in an
>attempt to ease her breathing, but in the end her lungs just gave up
and so
>did she. We were working with our vet to find an answer to her lung
>problems and I had an appointment with an internal medicine specialist
>today. Evidently, the fibrosis and nodules in her lungs were the
>beginnings (we think) of lung cancer. We never dreamed we would lose
her
>so soon. During the past week her Cushing's had returned increased
water,
>urination, hair loss, bumps in her skin even though two ACTH tests within
>two weeks showed her levels were normal and that the Anipryl was doing
its
>job.
>
>I am glad she is no longer suffering, thankfully it was only for an
evening
>and she took the decision of letting go out of our hands. I can hardly
see
>to type thru the tears as their are three of us grieving here, our 4
year
>old male mini, Riker, is despressed and looking for his "big sister".
He
>has never been alone without her. We will be getting another buddy
for him
>as soon as we can.
>
>Thank you all for the information and tips you have shared that helped
us
>to be better informed about Cushing's and I to include an article in
my
>schnauzer club newsletter about this disease as I wonder how many older
>(and younger) dogs have actually died from its complications and there
>owners didn't know it.
>
>Sue Okoniewski and Riker (where did she go, Mom?)
>Sokoniewski@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:23:39 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Oh, Sue. I just turned my mail back on after being out of town for a
week.
I'm so sorry to hear about Ginger. I know how much she meant to all of
you.
If Ivan' death is any indication, Riker is probably very confused and lonely.
We're looking forward to bringing a new companion home for Bonnie this
weekend. I'm sure Riker would just like to have some new friends to play
with,
even if you don't bring home another (not a replacement, just the next)
dog.
Our love to the entire family.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:34:33 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Details for the list
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Kelly is a tri-coloured Shetland Sheepdog, born 25th January, 1989.
His
current weight is 14.5kg (32lb) and he needs to loose about 6lb to bring
him
down to his acceptable weight but he has lost over 4lb since he began treatment.
He was originally diagnosed with hypothroidism in January 1997 and we do
not
know if this was a wrong diagnosis or not. He was confirmed to have Cushings
on 4th March 1998 and is now maintained with 750gr. Lysodren given on a
Monday
(the only choice of treatment in NZ). He's progressing well and though
he
still has 'down' days, they're getting less and less.
Kelly's 'caregivers' are Ann & John Cooper - a homemaker and a business
manager
who live in a lovely seaside city at the top of the South Island.
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:44:29 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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It's quite possible that Kelly has both Cushings and hypothydoid. At
the very
least, the two disorders mask each other quite a bit, and hypothyroid is
more
common (ie, vets will see it a few times in school, most never even see
a
Cushnoid).
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:49:46 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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Dear Sue -
Deepest sympathy to you from NZ - at least Ginger made the right decision
for
her and her sufferings are over but it is still very hard for those left
behind
to grieve...
Ann, John, Kelly and his feline support crew.
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:05:06 -0500
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Air travel with a Cushings dog
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Has anyone on the list shipped their Cushings dog by air? My vet is
assuring me that since Kelso is stable on his lysodren, he should not have
any problems, but I would love to hear from someone with personal
experience. I am flying to Austin next Thursday with my furbabies ( hi
Leslie and Dillon!). My vet has advised me not to give his lysodren dose
on that day ( a normal bi-weekly dosage day). I will also be hand carrying
prednisone with me just in case. What should I look for? How much pred
should I give? I have also contacted the vet in Austin (Dr. Smith's
office) to alert them in case we have problems when we arrive. We have
a
short layover in St. Louis. Am I a total basket case or what!! Thanks
for
listening!
Doreen
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:09:38 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: "CUSHINGS" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Thank you
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My husband, Sig, Riker and I thank you so much for your prayers and
thoughts. It's been a long day today. I took Ginger's xrays back to our
vet's office and one of the vet tech's came out the front door to greet
me
with a big, long hug. He was always giving Ginger kisses and I always
though how great that was considering he raises Rotties! We will be okay
and will begin to look forward to finding a new mini to share our home and
keep Riker busy. Right now I will keep him busy practicing for this
weekend's obedience trial. We need one more leg for a CD. It will be a
real challenge for both of us to keep focused.
Thank you again. I plan to stay on the list for a while as we still
want
to learn as much as we can about this disease.
Sue, Sig and Riker
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:21:00 EDT
From: CBABTPC <CBABTPC@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
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Hello, I am writing to introduce myself, and my dog, Targa.
Targa is a 13 year old Lab/Sheltie mix with multiple problems. In late
January
of this year, she was diagnosed with both diabetes and Cushing's. After
much
discussion, we decided to treat the diabetes first, before initiating
Cushing's treatment. She is now regulated on 38 units of Humulin N (NPH)
insulin, twice a day. About three weeks ago, we started administering Anipryl,
30 mg. once a day. She seems to be doing fine, and has shown a little
cognitive improvement, which was most welcome. Her fur is also growing back
on
her shaved "ultrasound" tummy. Her increased drinking and urination
symptoms,
as well as hind limb weakness were already corrected by the insulin.
Targa is also blind and profoundly- but not completely- deaf. We initially
thought she was going blind from diabetic cataracts, but when we took her
to
the ophthalmologist for a surgical evaluation , we found out that she had
SARDS- (Sudden Acquired Retinal Degeneration Syndrome). There is a strong
possibility that this is related to the Cushing's disease, and we took part
in
an epidemiological survey, attempting to determine causal factors. It is
also
possible that it is being caused by a brain tumor (unrelated to the pituitary
tumor) either primary or metastatic from a cancer she had in 1996.
The good news is that Targa seems happy, is eating well, sleeping better
than
we are, and seems very comfortable at present. Our biggest challenge is
to
help her adjust to her blindness, in view of the fact that she can't hear
at
all well. Any advice from anyone else dealing with vision problems would
be
most welcome. I am also on the blind dogs list, and the deaf dogs list,
as
well as the Muffin list for diabetes.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:05:29 +0100
From: Toni Lantto <tlantto@freeway.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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>My husband and I lost our best friend Saturday night to one of the
>complications of Cushing's. Ginger, 7-1/2 year old female black, miniature
>schnauzer was on 10 mg. Anipryl since July, 1997, died peacefully in
my
>husbands' arms on the way home from the Emergency Vet. She had been
having
>breathing problems which took a sudden turn for the worse and ended
up
>struggling for breath. The emergency vet gave her lasix and valium
in an
>attempt to ease her breathing, but in the end her lungs just gave up
and so
>did she. We were working with our vet to find an answer to her lung
>problems and I had an appointment with an internal medicine specialist
>today. Evidently, the fibrosis and nodules in her lungs were the
>beginnings (we think) of lung cancer. We never dreamed we would lose
her
>so soon. During the past week her Cushing's had returned increased
water,
>urination, hair loss, bumps in her skin even though two ACTH tests within
>two weeks showed her levels were normal and that the Anipryl was doing
its
>job.
>
>I am glad she is no longer suffering, thankfully it was only for an
evening
>and she took the decision of letting go out of our hands. I can hardly
see
>to type thru the tears as their are three of us grieving here, our 4
year
>old male mini, Riker, is despressed and looking for his "big sister".
He
>has never been alone without her. We will be getting another buddy
for him
>as soon as we can.
>
>Thank you all for the information and tips you have shared that helped
us
>to be better informed about Cushing's and I to include an article in
my
>schnauzer club newsletter about this disease as I wonder how many older
>(and younger) dogs have actually died from its complications and there
>owners didn't know it.
>
>Sue Okoniewski and Riker (where did she go, Mom?)
>Sokoniewski@worldnet.att.net
So sorry to hear about your loss. Our prayers are with you. Rainbow Bridge
will shine a little brighter with Ginger there. My Brandy will make sure
she feels welcome.
Toni , Brandy at Rainbow Bridge , Bridget, Duffy, Penny, Georgie, Bo,
and Gabe.
in Michigan
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:16:27 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Pets: 100 strong!!
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That she is happy and content and well loved are the most important things
for
Targa. I wish you well in her treatment.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
On April 15, 1912, the Titanic slipped beneath the waves.
April 15th is the day taxes are due in the US. Coincidence?
I think not!
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:31:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
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Sue, I am so sad for you, your husband and Riker over the loss of Ginger
at only 7 1/2 years. As you said, at least she went peacefully in your
husband's arms, and it could have been so much more painful. This is a
terrible, grotesque disease that steals our young ones at such an early
age, so unexpectedly and despite our best efforts to combat it. You can
take solace in knowing you tried your best to save her.
Sincerely,
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:43:00 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sad News
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Sue.....
We are all grieving with you right now. Are thoughts and prayers are
with you and your family!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:51:06 -0300
From: L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Complete Info
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Liza....
Don't give up the ship! Schonus was drinking 1 1/2 gallons of water
a
day, ravenous appetite, etc...at the end of his second loading
phase....but Schonus surprised us all....his second ACTH test came back
normal!!
Keeping my fingers crossed for you two!!
Linda & Schonus
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 16:19:10 -0700
From: Melissa Smith <nothingwitty@earthlink.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: list info
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Hi Everyone,
My name is Melissa and my husband and I have a Golden Retreiver/Yellow
Lab mix named Amber. She will be 10 in August. She was diagnosed with
Cushings in Feb this year. She is now on 500mg of Lysodren once a week
for the next three months and then will be retested. She has some
residual hair loss due to the disease and is growing her hair back on
her belly (from the ultra sound) slowly. Her strength has come back in
her hind legs and her eating and drinking are back to normal.
Pre-cushings she weighed 78 pounds and is down to 53 pounds her backbone
really sticks out. We live in San Jose, California and have to little
girls. My poor husband is the only male in the family but says he would
not have it any other way (so he says).
Melissa and Amber and the rest of the gang.
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:03:03 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushings and Anipryl
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Hi Vern,
Welcome to the list. You will find a wealth of information here, as I'm
sure you have already discovered.
My mini poodle, Boomer (11.5 years old), was diagnosed with Cushings
in
March of this year. He had all the symptoms you described as well as hair
loss, ravenous appetite and urinating a lot. We are on the 6th day of the
loading phase using Lysodren, 125 mg twice a day. Although Boomer's
Cushings is pituitary dependant my vet did not believe he would respond
well
to Anipryl because his symptoms were so pronounced (i.e. advanced) and
Anipryl is not as effective as Lysodren. We have noticed no change in
Boomer to date, but its still early. Lysodren is expensive too, $3 for
500
mg. But luckily Boomer is on a fairly dose.
I hope you see some improvement in Sophie soon, and keep us all informed
of her progress.
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:12:39 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Introduction..
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Hi Dennis,
Welcome to the list. As far as Sofia's water comsumption and urination,
I
believe these are also symptoms of diabetes (someone correct me if I'm wrong),
as well as Cushings. My "Cushy" dog, Boomer, drinks a lot and
when he pees does
so forever! That little guy must have one heck of a bladder!
As for web sites, here a couple I have found to be helpful. I hope you
do
too.
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/faq.html
http://unix.worldpath.net/~golddox/cushings.htm
Please keep us updated on Sofia's progress.
-- Liza and Boomer
Sedor, Dennis M. - Fiserv wrote:
> This is my first post to this list - I am 'owned by' a 13 1/2
year old
> pug called Sofia....she has been through an awful lot the past 3 years
(tail
> amputation,back surgery,UTI's, ear infections, hypothyroidism, etc..)
and
> now it appears she has Cushing's - her first ACH test was borderline
- but
> she exhibits almost all of the symptoms - so she was put on Anipryl
a few
> weeks ago - and will be re-tested after a month.
> The Anipryl 'seems' to be helping, but she continues to drink LOTS
of
> water and urinates literally every 1/2 hour. .Our vets have no idea
where
> the urine is all coming from, and have no thoughts about what to do...is
> this volume of urine excessive, even for a Cushinoid dog? Is there
> something else that could be causing this ???
> Is there a web site that can tell me exactly what tests Sofia should
> have done to positively diagnose the Cushings ??
> Thanks in advance for the information!
>
> Dennis Sedor dsedor@fisnet.com
> Fiserv Orlando
> (800) 234-7015 x728
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:15:21 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
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Dear Sue,
Please know that my thoughts and prayers are with you in your time of
grief. Try to take comfort in knowing that Ginger is no longer suffering
and
will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge. Treasure the memories you
have
of her, as she will live forever in your heart.
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:18:48 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
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Hi Leslie,
Thanks for the info. It would be great if you could compile some information
about our pets and post it on the web site.
-- Liza and Boomer
Orange Park, FL
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:24:14 EDT
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Help!
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I thought I was doing well with Mollie's insulin injections but her
glucose
is still 480. It's going up not down. She's not getting any treats, she's
eating at scheduled times--what am I doing wrong?
Tomorrow my vet wants to see how I give injections to see if that's the
problem. Then they want to keep her a day to keep a close watch on her
glucose readings throughout the day. I wish they had done that in the
beginning. My teaching involved: this is the needle, this is the insulin,
give her the insulin with the needle. I'm really getting angry cause I
feel
like I'm getting no support.
If it weren't for you guys out there I'd probably have gone off the edge.
Thanks for your support--it really means a lot. Lets do lunch sometime!
Debbie & Mollie Bear (the keeshond pincushion)
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:27:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
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In our eternal quest to find similarities, I notice that quite a few
of
our dogs have had recurrent ear infections. Sweetie, too. For too long she
was "on" Tresaderm, which I understand can "cause" Cushings.
But I am
confused. I thought taking prednisone could cause that 3rd kind of
Cushings which was reversible once prednisone use was discontinued, but
it
seems it can lead to full-blown, permanent Cushings. Which is it?
What are the symptoms that indicate Diabetes as opposed to Cushings?
I
haven't had Sweetie tested for Diabetes. Should I, as a precautionary
measure? Many of our dogs seem to have both diseases.
My final question. We have talked about changing pigmentation in fur,
but
not on the actual skin. Sweetie's belly skin has dramatically changed
color, from white with a few black spots to mainly dark spots. Should I
worry about this, or is this common with Cushings?
Thanks again. I just feel so badly about Ginger. It is really frightening
that they can be fine one day and then go so suddenly.
Jenny & Sweetie (Tibetan Terrier, age 8 yrs., diagnosed with Pituitary
Cushings, 10 mg. Anipryl daily)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:28:15 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: list info
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Hi Melissa,
Welcome to you and Amber. My mother has a mini poodle named Amber!
It's
good to hear that Amber is showing some progress! Hope you are enjoying
the
list and keep us posted on Amber's progress.
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:35:00 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Pets: Welcome
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Hi Anne,
Welcome to you and Targa. Although I have no experience with a blind
furbaby,
I can relate to the deafness. Boomer, too, is "profoundly-but not
completely-deaf." We realized this in December last year, about the
same time we
noticed his hair loss, panting, and other symptoms of Cushings. I really
dislike
yelling at him so he can hear, but sometime that is the only way to get
his
attention.
It is good to know that Targa is happy and comfortable. SOmetime that
is all
we can strive for. Good luck and keep up posted on Targa's progress.
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 22:53:08 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: New to list
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Hi Tom,
Welcome to you and Jesse. I am fairly new to this "Cushings"
world, but
I'll try to answer your questions from what I've learned in the past month
since I asked some of the same when I joined the list. The main thing to
know is every dog is different and what works for one may not work for
another. So the "general" answer to all your questions is "it
depends on
your dog". I know that is not much help, but just keep that in the
back of
my mind as you read posts about specific dogs and what may or may not have
worked for them.
<how well does medication work? >
This depends on how far advanced the Cushings is and on any other health
problems your dog may have.
<Will this dramatically shorten Jesse's life? >
This again depends on the things mentioned above. I've heard and read that
the average life expectancy of a Cushinoid dog after diagnosis is 2 years,
but this was an "educated guess", not based on any scientific
study.
<How expensive is the test and medication?>
This can be very expensive. I spent over $700 in the last 6 months just
to
get to a definite diagnosis. But know that for several months we believed
Boomer was just suffering from hypothyroidism and treated accordingly.
When
he did not respond to that treatment, we began testing for Cushings. The
cost of medication will depend on how much you have to give your dog as
well
as which medication you have to give (there are two: Lysodren and Anipryl).
Lysodren can cost anywhere from $2 to $3 for 500mg (depending on where you
live), but the dosage varies from case to case, not necessarily proportionate
to the weight of the dog.
I hope I've helped some. Please keep us posted as to Jesse's progress.
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 20:00:30 PDT
From: "Liza Klosterman" <lklosterman@hotmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Help!
Message-ID: <19980505030030.14187.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Debbie,
All I can say is "Hang in there, girl!" That's what I'm doing
right
now, just hanging in there!
-- Liza and Boomer
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:24:14 EDT
Reply-To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: DLowder25 <DLowder25@aol.com>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Help!
I thought I was doing well with Mollie's insulin injections but her
glucose is still 480. It's going up not down. She's not getting any
treats, she's eating at scheduled times--what am I doing wrong?
Tomorrow my vet wants to see how I give injections to see if that's
the problem. Then they want to keep her a day to keep a close watch on
her glucose readings throughout the day. I wish they had done that in
the beginning. My teaching involved: this is the needle, this is the
insulin, give her the insulin with the needle. I'm really getting angry
cause I feel like I'm getting no support.
If it weren't for you guys out there I'd probably have gone off the
edge.
Thanks for your support--it really means a lot. Lets do lunch sometime!
Debbie & Mollie Bear (the keeshond pincushion)
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:05:43 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
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Jenny,
In reference to the dark spots on Sweetie's skin, are they little bumps?
Boomer has these, and my vet says they they are an indication of a skin
infection caused by the Cushings. They are suppose to clear up when we
get
the Cushings under control. Boomer's skin pigmentation has changed. He
has
dark spots on various spots on his body, and dry red splotches too. And
let's
not forget he has NO hair on about two thirds of the trunk of his body.
He is
quite a site!
-- Liza and Boomer
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:34:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Infections and Belly Pigmentation
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Both the pigmentation changes and those little hard calcium bumps are
caused by Cushing's. That combined with the typical hair loss and
distended belly sure makes our Cushinoid pups gorgeous creatures, huh...
It was also pointed out to me that Cushing's can make their little faces
look skull-like. Another lovely trait.
Isn't it great that despite all of these physical flaws, each of our
babies is a beautiful, beloved miracle?!
Hugs to all,
-Leslie
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Liza Klosterman wrote:
> Jenny,
> In reference to the dark spots on Sweetie's skin, are they little
bumps?
> Boomer has these, and my vet says they they are an indication of a
skin
> infection caused by the Cushings. They are suppose to clear up when
we get
> the Cushings under control. Boomer's skin pigmentation has changed.
He has
> dark spots on various spots on his body, and dry red splotches too.
And let's
> not forget he has NO hair on about two thirds of the trunk of his body.
He is
> quite a site!
>
> -- Liza and Boomer
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: kathleen richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Sad News
Message-ID: <199805050619.XAA17962@acme.csusb.edu>
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It sounds as if you were the best 'parents' any puppy-dog could have.
I am
so sorry for your loss. *hug* I know how hard it can be.
--
>--------------------------------------------<
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits
kathleen richards -- krichard@acme.csusb.edu or kilty@tstonramp.com
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:08:24 -0500
From: "Janice Glosson" <jglosson@genevaonline.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Air travel with a Cushings dog
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I have shipped my Cushing's mini poodle several times and have had no
problems. Annie LOVES to travel and goes nuts when her crate comes out.
She is a competitive Agility dog and attends trials regularly. The stress
of travel doesn't seem to bother her and I maintain her regular Lysodren
dosage--she gets 250 mg. 3 days in a row and then gets one day off.
Janice & Annie
----------
> From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Air travel with a Cushings dog
> Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 3:05 PM
>
>
> Has anyone on the list shipped their Cushings dog by air? My vet is
> assuring me that since Kelso is stable on his lysodren, he should not
have
> any problems, but I would love to hear from someone with personal
> experience. I am flying to Austin next Thursday with my furbabies
( hi
> Leslie and Dillon!). My vet has advised me not to give his lysodren
dose
> on that day ( a normal bi-weekly dosage day). I will also be hand
carrying
> prednisone with me just in case. What should I look for? How much
pred
> should I give? I have also contacted the vet in Austin (Dr. Smith's
> office) to alert them in case we have problems when we arrive. We
have a
> short layover in St. Louis. Am I a total basket case or what!! Thanks
for
> listening!
>
> Doreen
>
>
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 09:55:42 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lysodren and Sunny update
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This first part is for Jackie Lynn, FL, to get the Lysodren from your
Pharmacist, is it better to buy more, I worked it ou just now and we would
pay him 66.50 for 24 pills, and here we would pay 123.90 for the same
amount, in one of your emails you said that it had gone up abit, you paid
56
for 20 5000mg tablets, we would have paid 103.26, What I am getting at is,
is it better to buy more quantity to get it cheaper, I have a prescription
for 24 right now from my vet to fax over, but if it is cheaper to order
more, then I will get the prescription changed. Please advise me as soon
as
you possibly can.
Leslie asked how Sunny was doing lately as she had not heard, well her ACTH
test came back slightly lower than the month before, she is still on 500mg
3
times a week (totalling 1500mg), we are informed that Sunny's body does
not
tolerate the drug in to much form, she seems to be handling it 3 times a
week, her urine culture came back, and she has no growths in her bladder,
so
all in all we had a good week of news, Dr. Chisholm from Auburn would like
to see the Pre and Post down under 125 each, that way she nows that the
the
pup is responding and can stay on maintenance. Sunny's hair is slowly
growing from the ultrasound which was two months ago, she is getting bumps
on her back, but the vet tells us that it is muscle and not to worry about
it so we don't, but Sunny still does not leave her food or water bowl, she
averages anywhere from 14-25 oz of water a day, more if she goes outside
in
the garden with mummy on the weekends, do all of you still monitor the water
intake, we have 3 water bowls in the house, two are at 20oz and the one
in
the cage is at 18oz for her during the day when we are at work as she cannot
hold her pee pee when left alone, but does not do it in her house, Sorry
to
go on so, love to all the babies from Jackie, Randy, *SUNNY* and *saphir*
her cat friend and companion. Oh by the way, we live in Huntsville, Alabama
and I work for UAH for the Graduate Dean and Randy works for the Army, we
have no human children, only furry ones, we hope to retire in England, God
willing that our health remains good to do so.
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:43:10 EDT
From: Danestuff <Danestuff@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Adeaver@aol.com
Subject: subscription instructions
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I can't find my list subscribing instructions, and the pharmacist I have
mentioned (who has the good prices on Lysodren) would like to subscribe.
Can someone send the subscription instructions to ADeaver@aol.com?
Thanks,
Jackie Lynn
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Date: Tue, 05 May 98 12:13:04 ECT
From: EKAPLAN@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Conversion between SI and Mass units
Message-ID: <199805051619.LAA19920@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
On 4/27/98, Liza asked about conversion in regard to comparing
Boomer's thyroid tests.
I believe the following website provides the necessary into
to accomplish the conversion:
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/conversion.html
Also, normal endocrinological values listed at the following
site may be useful:
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/normalvalue.html
Good luck!
Ellen
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Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:49:36 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Conversion between SI and Mass units
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Thanks for the infor, Ellen! That was what I was looking for.
-- Liza and Boomer
EKAPLAN@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU wrote:
> On 4/27/98, Liza asked about conversion in regard to comparing
> Boomer's thyroid tests.
>
> I believe the following website provides the necessary into
> to accomplish the conversion:
>
> http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/conversion.html
>
> Also, normal endocrinological values listed at the following
> site may be useful:
>
> http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/endo/normalvalue.html
>
> Good luck!
> Ellen
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:29:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: "Cushing's List" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Introduction..
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Dennis,
As a child I had two pugs, one tan and one black. Because of their
breathing difficulties, neither lived beyond ten years. I think it's
pretty remarkable that your Sofia is 13 1/2 years old! Pugs are simply the
sweetest, jolliest little dogs.
I am far from experienced with this disease, but "they" say
it takes about
two months for anipryl to kick in, and it doesn't work for every dog. In
my dog Sweetie's case it worked pretty dramatically to curtail the
frequent wetting, like at least within the first three weeks. I personally
would be concerned if Sweetie were wetting every 1/2 hour and I'd probably
rush her to the vet, or a specialist if I got no satisfaction from my
regular veterinarian.
Please give Sofia a great big hug from me.
Jenny & Sweetie (Tibetan Terrier, 8 yrs., anipryl)
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Sedor, Dennis M. - Fiserv wrote:
> This is my first post to this list - I am 'owned by' a 13 1/2
year old
> pug called Sofia....she has been through an awful lot the past 3 years
(tail
> amputation,back surgery,UTI's, ear infections, hypothyroidism, etc..)
and
> now it appears she has Cushing's - her first ACH test was borderline
- but
> she exhibits almost all of the symptoms - so she was put on Anipryl
a few
> weeks ago - and will be re-tested after a month.
> The Anipryl 'seems' to be helping, but she continues to drink LOTS
of
> water and urinates literally every 1/2 hour. .Our vets have no idea
where
> the urine is all coming from, and have no thoughts about what to do...is
> this volume of urine excessive, even for a Cushinoid dog? Is there
> something else that could be causing this ???
> Is there a web site that can tell me exactly what tests Sofia should
> have done to positively diagnose the Cushings ??
> Thanks in advance for the information!
>
>
> Dennis Sedor dsedor@fisnet.com
> Fiserv Orlando
> (800) 234-7015 x728
>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:29:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: Adeaver@aol.com
Subject: Re: subscription instructions
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980506092645.29794A-100000@moe.cc.utexas.edu>
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The subscription instructions can be found at
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/forum.html
The basics are as follows:
ow to Subscribe to CUSHINGS-PETS:
To SUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message from your e-mail program to:
listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
In the text portion write:
Subscribe CUSHINGS-PETS Your Name (Your Pet's Name, Breed, and Date of
Diagnosis)
For example:
Subscribe CUSHINGS-PETS Leslie Lawson (Melissa, Spitz/Terrier, 7/97)
As always, if you have any questions about the list, feel free to drop
me
a line!!
-Leslie
On Tue, 5 May 1998, Danestuff wrote:
> I can't find my list subscribing instructions, and the pharmacist
I have
> mentioned (who has the good prices on Lysodren) would like to subscribe.
>
> Can someone send the subscription instructions to ADeaver@aol.com?
>
> Thanks,
> Jackie Lynn
>
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:52:46 -0500
From: Ruthann Peterson <rppete@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Cushing's Pets Subscriber info
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I tried to access this list and the response I recieved was:
Subject:
RECIPIENTS CUSHINGS-PETS
Date:
Tue, 5 May 1998 07:51:12 CDT
From:
CREN ListProcessor <listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
To:
rppete@execpc.com
rppete@execpc.com: This request may be issued by owners only.
Leslie Lawson wrote:
> Liza and others-
>
> Everyone on the list (but no one who's not subscribed) can access a
list of
> subscribers by sending e-mail to <listproc@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
with the
> following message in the body:
>
> recipients cushings-pets
> --
>
> Each subscriber does have the option of having his/her name omitted
from
> this list (but still known to me). So far, all subscribers have left
their
> names visible.
>
> Also, I'm culling through the archived posts to put together a database
on
> pets birthdays, diagnosis date, weight, and breed, just to see if I
see any
> patterns. If no one has any objections, I could post a table with
this
> information on the web site, perhaps in a hidden directory, accessible
only
> by cushings-pets members. Let me know what you think.
>
> I'm also really interested in knowing where everyone lives. If you're
so
> inclined to share, please send me an e-mail. Don't send me your street
> address, just the city and state (and country for our members who live
> outside of the US) you live in or, if you prefer, just the part of
the
> state (for example, Central Texas--that's where I live!).
>
> Finally, just a reminder: although the Cushings-Pets list is by
> subscription only (meaning only subscribed members can post), all posts
to
> the Cushings-Pets list are archived and posted to the web site, which
is
> publicly accessible by anyone.
>
> -Leslie
>
> At 08:59 PM 5/3/98 -0400, Liza Klosterman wrote:
> >Does anyone know if it is possible to
> >get a list of everyone on the list with the info you supplied
when you
> subscribed,
> >i.e. Owners name, e-mail address, pets name, breed, date diagnosed,
etc.?
> Or is this
> >information considerd private or something like that? I would
love to have a
> >reference sheet with this kind of information, then we all would
not have
> to repeat
> >it in our posts so often. Just a thought...
> >
> >-- Liza and Boomer
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:54:06 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Cc: <muffin@esosoft.com>
Subject: somogyi plus herb for skin & foot cuts
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Gretle the mini-dachshund with cushings/diabetes was having a lot of
odd =
bg swings which seemed to have leveled off when the cushings symptoms =
stopped. I wonder if animals with cushings have somogyi responses at =
higher bg levels than usual because of liver involvement or other =
hormone action? I have suspicions that Gretle had some rebound when BG
=
got to about 80 before cushings symptoms completely went away but no =
rebound at that bg now. I am going to drop from 7 units to 6 units to
=
keep it a little higher. Gretle has some irritation from ear sticks and
=
I noticed some ugly cracks on her foot pads so I broke out the trusty =
comfrey root. It has been used for healing wounds since biblical times
=
and usually can be found around pioneer homes as they brought the plant
=
with them from the old country. It was sold as a popular herb tea but =
has been implicated in liver cancer so should only be used externally =
and where it will not be licked, though I expect the cancer was caused =
by extreme over use. If you are lucky enough to have a source, this may
=
be the thing for those infections, Gretle has responded very well and I
=
use it on myself when I need to heal quickly. If you do not see a =
difference in a couple of days, chances are that it will not help that =
particular problem. I remember using a wet comfrey tea bag which has =
soaked for awhile to get the aloe like sticky substance but believe the
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tea sold now has little comfrey and the comfrey salves sold in the =
health food stores do not seem to do much either.
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:27:06 +0000
From: Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Sad News
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Sue, Sig & Riker,
We were so sorry to hear of your loss of Ginger. She was a brave
little
girl and felt your love til the end.
With our deepest sympathy,
Tom, Maria and Clea, Timmy and Little Rosti
trw@virginia.edu
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:43:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: somogyi plus herb for skin & foot cuts
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Not on the subject, but still-comfrey is also great as a mulch for other
sickly plants. It is quite a large perennial and a good filler for a
shady spot. It improves the soil all aound it.
On the subject of herbs, has anyone tried St. John's Wort on Cushings
dogs? I was just reading that it is the number one bestselling remedy for
depression in Europe, outselling Prozac four to one. Oh well, Sweetie
already takes heaps of vitamins.
Jenny & Sweetie
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:30:59 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: help needed
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Kelly has been unwell for the last 36 hours and we're at a loss what
to do. He
has hardly eaten for over two days - even turned down his favourite titbits.
Has had bouts of dry retching and on a couple of occasions has bought up
white
'bubbly' liquid but no solids. Has ran around aimlessly with his head
down
obviously in pain - used to do this before his inflammatory bowel disease
was
diagnosed. Almost constant body tremours (shook the bed) for long sessions.
Noisy tummy - gurgles etc. but no sign of diarrohea that I have seen or
found.
He had 750mg Lysodren on Monday - 250a.m. 500 p.m. and 2 Elltroxin (usual
dose).
I took him to the Vet yesterday but of course as soon as I rang most of
the
problems stopped. He gave him a very thorough examination and couldn't
find
anything to worry about but we are supposed to get a urine sample in to
him
today. What a joke! Kelly has drunk very little and when he sees us
with the
'jar' he sits down or just comes inside. He is still in bed and it's pouring
with rain so I don't like our chances this a.m. I will ring the vet again
as
soon as he's open and suggest we forget that and do the blood test - much
easier
and no mucking about but meanwhile my baby is very unhappy. Please - has
anyone got any ideas or experienced anything similar that I can report on....
from the very worried Mum of Kelly
Ann Cooper
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:49:57 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Kelly has had alot of Lysodren could be that he cannot tollerate so much
in
one go like that, that has been our problem with Sunny, she has a very low
tolerance for the drug and that is why it upsets her so, as for the urine
sample, they can get that at the vets themselves, you do not have to go
around trying to catch it from Kelly, when you think that Kelly has enough
in the bladder try to get her /him to the vets asap, even to an emergency
vet to get a culture, we again had to do that with Sunny, Sunny has had
some
of the problems that Kelly is experiencing and it has all been down to the
amount of Lysodren,**We have to treat the Patient - - not the disease**
this
is a constant quote from our Vet, please let me know what you do. Regards
Jackie in Alabama
At 07:30 AM 5/7/98 +1200, you wrote:
>Kelly has been unwell for the last 36 hours and we're at a loss what
to do.
He
>has hardly eaten for over two days - even turned down his favourite
titbits.
>Has had bouts of dry retching and on a couple of occasions has bought
up white
>'bubbly' liquid but no solids. Has ran around aimlessly with his head
down
>obviously in pain - used to do this before his inflammatory bowel disease
was
>diagnosed. Almost constant body tremours (shook the bed) for long
sessions.
>Noisy tummy - gurgles etc. but no sign of diarrohea that I have seen
or found.
>He had 750mg Lysodren on Monday - 250a.m. 500 p.m. and 2 Elltroxin (usual
dose).
>I took him to the Vet yesterday but of course as soon as I rang most
of the
>problems stopped. He gave him a very thorough examination and couldn't
find
>anything to worry about but we are supposed to get a urine sample in
to him
>today. What a joke! Kelly has drunk very little and when he sees
us
with the
>'jar' he sits down or just comes inside. He is still in bed and it's
pouring
>with rain so I don't like our chances this a.m. I will ring the vet
again as
>soon as he's open and suggest we forget that and do the blood test -
much
easier
>and no mucking about but meanwhile my baby is very unhappy. Please
- has
>anyone got any ideas or experienced anything similar that I can report
on....
>from the very worried Mum of Kelly
>Ann Cooper
>janda@iconz.co.nz
>Nelson, New Zealand
>
>
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:11:02 -0500
From: Wendy <KenandWendy@prodigy.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Hi John and Ann,
Just a thought.... Maybe it could be pancreatitis. Cushings dogs are
prone to this
disorder. Signs are vomiting and diarrhea, abdominal pain, not eating,
depression,
shivering/shaking (pain), etc. Just the first thing to pop into my head.
The vet
can do a blood test to see if the pancreatic enzymes are elevated. Good
luck.
Wendy & Muffin (the Yorkshire Terrorist with pre-Cushing's- 9yrs)
KenandWendy@prodigy.net
John & Ann Cooper wrote:
> Kelly has been unwell for the last 36 hours and we're at a loss
what to do. He
> has hardly eaten for over two days - even turned down his favourite
titbits.
> Has had bouts of dry retching and on a couple of occasions has bought
up white
> 'bubbly' liquid but no solids. Has ran around aimlessly with his
head down
> obviously in pain - used to do this before his inflammatory bowel disease
was
> diagnosed. Almost constant body tremours (shook the bed) for long
sessions.
> Noisy tummy - gurgles etc. but no sign of diarrohea that I have seen
or found.
> He had 750mg Lysodren on Monday - 250a.m. 500 p.m. and 2 Elltroxin
(usual dose).
> I took him to the Vet yesterday but of course as soon as I rang most
of the
> problems stopped. He gave him a very thorough examination and couldn't
find
> anything to worry about but we are supposed to get a urine sample in
to him
> today. What a joke! Kelly has drunk very little and when he sees
us with the
> 'jar' he sits down or just comes inside. He is still in bed and it's
pouring
> with rain so I don't like our chances this a.m. I will ring the vet
again as
> soon as he's open and suggest we forget that and do the blood test
- much easier
> and no mucking about but meanwhile my baby is very unhappy. Please
- has
> anyone got any ideas or experienced anything similar that I can report
on....
> from the very worried Mum of Kelly
> Ann Cooper
> janda@iconz.co.nz
> Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:27:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cush <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: help needed
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Obviously I am *NOT* a vet, however, those symptoms are very
similar to the ones Ebony had when she was having her acute
attack of pancreatitis.
On Thu, 7 May 1998, John & Ann Cooper wrote:
> Kelly has been unwell for the last 36 hours and we're at a loss
what to do. He
> has hardly eaten for over two days - even turned down his favourite
titbits.
> Has had bouts of dry retching and on a couple of occasions has bought
up white
> 'bubbly' liquid but no solids. Has ran around aimlessly with his
head down
> obviously in pain - used to do this before his inflammatory bowel disease
was
> diagnosed. Almost constant body tremours (shook the bed) for long
sessions.
> Noisy tummy - gurgles etc. but no sign of diarrohea that I have seen
or found.
> He had 750mg Lysodren on Monday - 250a.m. 500 p.m. and 2 Elltroxin
(usual dose).
> I took him to the Vet yesterday but of course as soon as I rang most
of the
> problems stopped. He gave him a very thorough examination and couldn't
find
> anything to worry about but we are supposed to get a urine sample in
to him
> today. What a joke! Kelly has drunk very little and when he sees
us with the
> 'jar' he sits down or just comes inside. He is still in bed and it's
pouring
> with rain so I don't like our chances this a.m. I will ring the vet
again as
> soon as he's open and suggest we forget that and do the blood test
- much easier
> and no mucking about but meanwhile my baby is very unhappy. Please
- has
> anyone got any ideas or experienced anything similar that I can report
on....
> from the very worried Mum of Kelly
> Ann Cooper
> janda@iconz.co.nz
> Nelson, New Zealand
>
>
>
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:48:30 EDT
From: LCady <LCady@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Ann --
Keep in mind that I am not a vet and therefore do not want to dispense
advice,
but my Maggie had similar symptoms to your Kelly just last week. She was
eating very little, not even the fried eggs which she usually devours.
She
was also vomiting what appeared to be "bile," as she had nothing
else in her
stomach to come up. At the time she was taking 1250 mg of Lysodren per
week,
given a little every other day. I called my vet and he took her off the
Lysodren temporarily and told me to give her Tagamet, an over-the-counter
medication used for sour stomachs in humans. She took 200 mg three times
a
day for about a week and within a day or two of beginning she was starting
to
eat. She has now resumed the Lysodren, reducing it to 750 mg per week and
will be tested in six weeks to see where her levels are. Maybe our experience
will help you.
Lois
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:06:13 -0500
From: "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Sad News
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Thank you for your kind thoughts. We appreciate it. Everything around
here seems to remind of us of her. I picked up some pictures I had taken
today and there was one in there that I took of her the day before she
died. My husband said she looked tired.
Again thank you.
Sue, Sig and Riker
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:29:52 EDT
From: LisaVann <LisaVann@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Air travel with a Cushings dog
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Doreen,
It will be fine if you just skip the lysodren that day. The pup will
probably
come thru it all like a champ and you will be the one needing medication!!!!
They do make us nervous don't they?
I have shipped a very frail diabetic as well as my own Cushy dog and
they both
did just fine. The Cushing's dog was soaking wet when we finally go thim
off
the plane, but that was just because he was not able to go potty just before
boarding.......
Lisa
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:29:30 +0000
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Those are exactly the same symptoms Bo has had from too much adrenal
suppression (Lysodren). The antidote was to suspend Lysodren for a few
days and give Bo prednisone tablet instead - this is the treatment the
veterinary specialist said he might need from time to time when he had
an "episode" from the Lysodren. This can be brought on by too
much
stress or excitement, just a higher dose than the dog can tolerate. . I
would be happy to try to post to the list the standard Cushings
information form I received from the veterinary center that first
treated Bo (they specialize in endocrinology ).
Judy
>Kelly has been unwell for the last 36 hours and we're at a loss what
to
do.
He
>has hardly eaten for over two days - even turned down his favourite
titbits.
>Has had bouts of dry retching and on a couple of occasions has bought
up white
>'bubbly' liquid but no solids. Has ran around aimlessly with his head
down
>obviously in pain - used to do this before his inflammatory bowel
disease was
>diagnosed. Almost constant body tremours (shook the bed) for long
sessions.
>Noisy tummy - gurgles etc. but no sign of diarrohea that I have seen
or
found.
>He had 750mg Lysodren on Monday - 250a.m. 500 p.m. and 2 Elltroxin
(usual
dose).
>I took him to the Vet yesterday but of course as soon as I rang most
of
the
>problems stopped. He gave him a very thorough examination and
couldn't find
>anything to worry about but we are supposed to get a urine sample in
to
him
>today. What a joke! Kelly has drunk very little and when he sees
us
with the
>'jar' he sits down or just comes inside. He is still in bed and it's
pouring
>with rain so I don't like our chances this a.m. I will ring the vet
again as
>soon as he's open and suggest we forget that and do the blood test -
much
easier
>and no mucking about but meanwhile my baby is very unhappy. Please
-
has
>anyone got any ideas or experienced anything similar that I can report
on....
>from the very worried Mum of Kelly
>Ann Cooper
>janda@iconz.co.nz
>Nelson, New Zealand
>
>
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 20:36:58 +0000
From: Judy Antipin Hartheimer <jhart@cynet.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Ann, just read your post again. You may have to be very firm with your
vet (that's what I had to do with Bo) and just tell him that you know
something is very wrong and you want Kelly checked out immediately.
Judy
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:11:11 EDT
From: Cybervet5 <Cybervet5@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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In a message dated 98-05-06 17:02:35 EDT, siniardj@email.uah.edu writes:
<< **We have to treat the Patient - - not the disease** this
is a constant quote from our Vet, please let me know what you do. Regards
Jackie in Alabama >>
Excellent advice and I suggest you get your pet to your vet immediately
as
this does sound like a problem with the Lysodren.
Michelle
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:27:40 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: progress report
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I can't believe the wonderful response we have had from you all - we
are very
grateful for your advice and support. Kelly has been at the vets for the
past
3 hours being observed and waiting for blood test results. One of the
tests
the vet is doing is for pancreatitis but he doesn't think that's what it
will be
as Kelly has not been vomiting that much over the past 24 hours - just dry
retching with two episodes of white froth. He is more concerned about
the
lysodren levels - Kelly has been on 750mg once a week for the past 6 weeks
and
this is the first 'off beat' reaction we've seen. So now I'm just sitting
waiting for the phone to ring!
I feel very sorry for other owners of furball babies with Cushings who
have not
got the support that this group gives. It's worth while owning a computer
just for that..... I'll report the result when I've heard - hopefully
not much
longer.
Ann & John (who are lost without their shadow)
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:35:04 EDT
From: DFRS2 <DFRS2@aol.com>
To: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] QUESTION OF WEEK: HYPOGLYCEMIA
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I am copying this also to the Cushing's Pets list because some dogs with
Cushing's also may have problems with high blood sugar and be on insulin
also.
Rosie has not had a hypo attack yet and from the sounds of them I hope
she
doesn't, but one thing my vet taught me was to check her heart rate. This
very simple and if you are a worrier like I have been known to be at first,
you can check it and feel comfortable.
He said you can locate a pulse on the inside of the hind leg about halfway
between the knee and hip. It was easy for me to locate. Rosie is a lab
weighing about 69 lbs. now and her heart rate should be above 60 beats per
minute. Around 100 is better. You just get a count for 10 or 15 seconds
and
multiply it out for a full minutes worth. For example, if I get 20 beats
in
10 seconds that would total to 120 beats every 60 seconds.
Hope this helps!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kathleen Richards <krichard@acme.csusb.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: help needed
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Interesting that symptoms can be so similar. I have great respect for
the
complexity of veterinary medicine! (seriously!)
On Wed, 6 May 1998, Cybervet5 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-05-06 17:02:35 EDT, siniardj@email.uah.edu
writes:
>
> << **We have to treat the Patient - - not the disease** this
> is a constant quote from our Vet, please let me know what you do.
Regards
> Jackie in Alabama >>
> Excellent advice and I suggest you get your pet to your vet immediately
as
> this does sound like a problem with the Lysodren.
>
> Michelle
>
--
kathleen richards krichard@acme.csusb.edu
~Someday - we'll live like horses, free rein from your old iron fences.
There's more ways than one to regain your senses.~ B.Taupin/E.John
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:10:18 -0700
From: "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: progress report
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G'day,
Sorry to hear about Kelly. The signs and symptoms were identical
to a lapse Ted had about a week into his Lysodren treatment, but he was
getting 500mg. daily. A visit to the vet and a dosage of prednisone put
him
right - in fact he's been a box o'birds ever since. I can sympathise with
you in your frustration, especially with a vet that doesn't have much
experience with treating a Cushy. It may be an idea for him to get an e-mail
off to Rob MASON. He works out of Tracyton, Washinton, USA, but is a very
compassionate guy and is master-minding Ted's treatment. He comes up to
Vancouver once a month and we see him then if need be, but our vet is on
the
blower to him if he needs any confirmation of treatment etc. His e-mail
is
76255.1470@compuserve.com.
Hang in there and tough it out. She'll be right, mates.
Best wishes,
dave ROBERTS & Co.
-----Original Message-----
From: John & Ann Cooper <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: cush <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 6:34 PM
Subject: progress report
>I can't believe the wonderful response we have had from you all -
we are
very
>grateful for your advice and support. Kelly has been at the vets for
the
past
>3 hours being observed and waiting for blood test results. One of
the
tests
>the vet is doing is for pancreatitis but he doesn't think that's what
it
will be
>as Kelly has not been vomiting that much over the past 24 hours - just
dry
>retching with two episodes of white froth. He is more concerned about
the
>lysodren levels - Kelly has been on 750mg once a week for the past 6
weeks
and
>this is the first 'off beat' reaction we've seen. So now I'm just
sitting
>waiting for the phone to ring!
>I feel very sorry for other owners of furball babies with Cushings
who
have not
>got the support that this group gives. It's worth while owning a
computer
>just for that..... I'll report the result when I've heard - hopefully
not
much
>longer.
>Ann & John (who are lost without their shadow)
>janda@iconz.co.nz
>Nelson, New Zealand
>
>
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:48:23 +1200
From: "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
To: "cush" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Kelly's home
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I have just been and picked up Kelly and the news wasn't particularly
good.
His liver enzyme count was (to use the vet's expression) over the roof -
ALT
count over 3,000 (I hope I've got that right). Everything else was OK
and
within acceptable bounds. In fact his thryoid count was absolutely normal
for
the first time this year. We should have the results of the further tests
early
tomorrow morning to see where we go from here. But meanwhile I'm off to
prepare a meal of steamed fish, cottage cheese and pasta to see if I can
tempt
his appetite.
We heard last week that Kelly's father (11 years of age) had gone to the
Rainbow
Bridge a few weeks ago - a liver disease - but I've been assured that it's
not a
hereditary thing and not a common problem in Shelties. Not that that helps
our
situation. We have got an anti-spasmodic tablet for Kelly if needed for
tonight so hopefully we'll at least get a reasonable night for the first
time in
2 days!
janda@iconz.co.nz
Nelson, New Zealand
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:32:31 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Jesse Starts Treatment
Message-ID: <19980507.083235.17414.0.Write2Tom@juno.com>
Hi all,
Jesse, the mini Schnauzer (very mini now that she is down to 16 lbs), has
been diagnosised with Cushings. It seems to be from an adrenal gland
tumor. She starts on a Lysodren program this evening. My vet team,
there are two working on her, does not believe in large doses of the med.
and say they have great success without the bad side effects, and have
never once had to resort to prednisone. So she is on a five day program
of 250 mg daily. A five day period with-out and then another blood test
to see what is going on before we start the weekly dose. They did
mention the possibility of surgery to remove the gland. Anyone have
experience with this? They do not want to do it without long
consideration as she has diabetes. Poor Jesse looks awful. I was told
she would be more comfortable shaved down as she seems to seek cool
places to rest, now one can see all the muscle mass she has lost. Her
sister Uta has her nurse's cap on and is driving Jesse crazy wanting to
comfort (lick) and nurse (press into her with her head) her. Dogs are
wonderful gifts.
Just thought I would let you know what is going on and would appreciate
any feed-back.
Tom, Jesse & Uta
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:55:25 EDT
From: Glimpact <Glimpact@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: The "Missing Link" supplement
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You can buy the "Missing Link" supplement at Petco, or call
the manufacturer
at 800-774-7387. It costs between $15.99-$17.99 for a one pound bag that
lasts for 2 months for an average sized dog. You just scoop it into their
food.
Here's the ingredients:
Flax seed, sunflower seed, blackstrap molasses, rice bran, freeze dried
liver,
primary dried yeast, dried alfalfa, freeze dried bone, dried carrot, fish
meal, freeze dried oyster, dried kelp, lechitin, spirulina, sprouted green
barley, yucca, garlic and nettle.
Crude protein - not less than 18%
Crude fat - not less than 23%
Crude Fiber - not more than 10%
Moisture - not more than 10%
It's manufactured by Designing Health, inc. at 28310 Avenue Crocker,
Unit G,
Valencia, California 91355.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:35:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Cushing's Gallery Addition
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A bittersweet moment for us: I have just added Ginger, Sue's precious
Schnauzer who recently passed, to the Cushing's Gallery
<http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~lolawson/cushings/gallery.html>. One look
at
her soulful eyes and you'll know why she is so sorely missed by
her family.
An note of irony from Sue:
>I don't know if I mentioned it but that picture was taken the day before
>she died. I had just groomed and clippered both dogs and for some reason
>I just grabbed the camera and ran into the yard and snapped a few
>pictures.
Hug your babies--they're so very special and irreplaceable!
-Leslie
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:11:59 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Good afternoon Leslie, I was just looking at the wonderful babies on
the pet
page, they are beautiful, I was also wondering if you could add to Sunny's
words and the bottom after cat friend Saphir, also Sister Sadie at the
Rainbow Bridge. I would really appreciate that Leslie, thanks so much. Jackie
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:17:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Cc: jill@n-w.co.uk
Subject: Re: Rigsby (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jill Smith <jill@n-w.co.uk>
To: cushings list <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Rigsby
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:01:11 +0100
Rigsby, our 13+ year old miniature schnauzer, is causing confusion to
=
our vets and us! The results of his ACTH tests came back not =
corresponding to anything!
All the vets agree with us that he is Cushinoid, [is that the correct =
spelling?] but each new test is showing unusual patterns of reaction to
=
the drugs. Technically that makes him pre-C. but he has ALL the symptoms
=
ever listed! Having had 2 other schnauzers go the same way, we =
recognised what was happening early and hoped to avoid some of the =
heartbreak.
The latest specialist said he will leave Rigsby for 3 months, then test
=
again. I am not happy about this as I don't like to see him suffer. The
=
best that the vets can do is to treat each symptom individually until a
=
positive result appears, then put him straight onto a maintenance dose.
Does anyone on this incredible site have a suggestion, or been in a =
similar situation?I read a note from someone here recently who said they
=
had been able to convince their vet to begin treatment.
Jill, Dave, Rigsby and menagerie.
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:22:49 -0400
From: Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: The "Missing Link" supplement
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I recently found a web site for KV Vet Supply.
Their web site is http://www.kvvet.com. They also have a toll free
number
that you can call to order. The number is 1-800-423-8211.
This company is running a special right now on the nutritional supplement
that
many of you have been talking about - The Missing Link.
One pound is $11.95. 5 pounds are $40.95.
I have not ordered yet, but plan to do so.
Glimpact wrote:
> You can buy the "Missing Link" supplement at Petco, or
call the manufacturer
> at 800-774-7387. It costs between $15.99-$17.99 for a one pound bag
that
> lasts for 2 months for an average sized dog. You just scoop it into
their
> food.
>
> Here's the ingredients:
>
> Flax seed, sunflower seed, blackstrap molasses, rice bran, freeze dried
liver,
> primary dried yeast, dried alfalfa, freeze dried bone, dried carrot,
fish
> meal, freeze dried oyster, dried kelp, lechitin, spirulina, sprouted
green
> barley, yucca, garlic and nettle.
>
> Crude protein - not less than 18%
> Crude fat - not less than 23%
> Crude Fiber - not more than 10%
> Moisture - not more than 10%
>
> It's manufactured by Designing Health, inc. at 28310 Avenue Crocker,
Unit G,
> Valencia, California 91355.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:36:14 -0500
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rigsby (fwd)
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I had just the opposite problem with my scottie, Kelso at first. He
had no
symptoms of Cushings but his ACTH results were off the charts. All the
other tests were inconclusive. The endocrinogist ( is that spelled right?)
at Purdue Vet school advised us to wait and re-test in 3 months. By that
time, the physical symptoms had appeared. This disease is very tricky.
If
it were me, I would not treat for Cushings until you were sure. That's
just my opinion and sure to start a debate. I do know that this diseases
progresses very slowly and sometimes you have to eliminate everything else
to be sure. It is very frustrating!!
Good luck and let us know what happens!! We have all been there!!
Doreen
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To: Doreen A Osborne, cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu AT TIVOLI
SYSTEMS@SAI-INDY@CCMTA<