CUSHINGS-PETS Digest 43
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: stumbling Jesse
by write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
2) Re: Pixie
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
3) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
4) Re: introduction Merri
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
5) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
6) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
7) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
8) Re: introduction Merri
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
9) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
10) Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription (fwd from Kathleen)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
11) Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T. (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
12) Anipryl
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
13) Generic Drugs
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
14) Re:
by Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
15) Re: introduction Merri
by CBABTPC@aol.com
16) Re: Anipryl
by DesignSue@aol.com
17) Lambriar and med
by Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
18) Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
19) RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
20) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
21) Flea medications
by Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
22) Re: Pixie
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
23) Re: introduction
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
24) RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
25) Re: Pixie
by DFRS2@aol.com
26) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
27) Bloat and Cushing's?
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
28) easing symptoms
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
29) Re: easing symptoms
by JCirino@aol.com
30) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by CBABTPC@aol.com
31) Re: Flea medications
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
32) Re: Flea medications
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
33) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
34) Re[2]: Flea medications
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
35) Re: easing symptoms
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
36) Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
by Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
37) Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
38) Fwd: [MUFFIN] Re: Rosie Update
by DFRS2@aol.com
39) Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
by DFRS2@aol.com
40) Re: easing symptoms
by Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
41) Puffin's panting
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
42) Re: Puffin's panting
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
43) Intro/We lost the battle
by Joan Shirokey <c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu>
44) RE: Intro/We lost the battle
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
45) Strengthening the immune system with vitamins
by Glimpact@aol.com
46) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
47) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Danestuff@aol.com
48) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
49) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
50) Re: introduction Merri
by "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
51) Back Home
by Jody McCann <jmccann@mail.wiscnet.net>
52) deafness was: introduction Merri
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
53) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
54) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DesignSue@aol.com
55) Re: deafness was: introduction Merri
by JCirino@aol.com
56) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
57) it is getting hot!
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
58) Re: Deafness and Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
59) Re: Generic Drugs
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
60) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
61) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DFRS2@aol.com
62) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by DFRS2@aol.com
63) Off Topic: 3 WISHES
by DFRS2@aol.com
64) RE: Generic Drugs
by Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
65) Re: carrots - quit drinking water
by JCirino@aol.com
66) Re: Generic Drugs
by Caroline Levin <cdlevin@teleport.com>
67) relief
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
68) Re: Anipryl (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
69) Re: relief
by JCirino@aol.com
70) Re: relief
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
71) Intro/We lost the battle
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
72) Flea control
by Glimpact@aol.com
73) More flea control info
by Glimpact@aol.com
74) Re: Intro/We lost the battle
by meri <meric@execpc.com>
75) Re: Flea control
by Danestuff@aol.com
76) Addison's
by Danestuff@aol.com
77) DIET
by "Rosemary G. Blascetta" <rblascet@pacbell.net>
78) [Fwd: Addison's Disease]
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
79) She's here!
by "SIGMUND OKONIEWSKI" <SOKONIEWSKI@worldnet.att.net>
80) Re: Flea control
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
81) Re: She's here!
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
82) Re: She's here!
by CBABTPC@aol.com
83) Re: She's here!
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
84) Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
85) Progress of Terrible Ted
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
86) Humans and Cushings.
by "Jill Smith" <jill@n-w.co.uk>
87) Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
88) Re: Addison's
by Glimpact@aol.com
89) Re: Puffin's panting/easing symptoms
by CBABTPC@aol.com
90) Re: Humans and Cushings.
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
91) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
92) Flea control info from the alt vet med web site
by Glimpact@aol.com
93) Canine Cooler Beds
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
94) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by Danestuff@aol.com
95) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
96) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
97) Re: Progress of Terrible Ted
by Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
98) Inspiration for the Day (fwd)
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
99) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
100) Re: Canine Cooler beds
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
101) Canine Cooler Beds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
102) Easing symptoms
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
103) CUSHINGS-PETS
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
104) New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
105) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
106) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
107) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
108) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS
by JCirino@aol.com
109) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
110) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
111) Re: Canine Cooler Beds
by CBABTPC@aol.com
112) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
113) Canine Cooler Beds question
by kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
114) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
115) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
116) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
117) Re: Easing symptoms
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
118) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by CBABTPC@aol.com
119) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
120) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
121) Re: Easing symptoms
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
122) Lysodren Compound
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
123)
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
124) Re: New Cushings Pet
by Jane Matheson <jmatheson@lamere.net>
125) Re: New Cushings Pet
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
126) Re: Lysodren Compound
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
127) Canine Cooler Beds
by Tom White <trw@virginia.edu>
128) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
129) Re: New Cushings Pet
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
130) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
131) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
132) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
133) Re: Canine Cooler Beds question
by kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
134) Re:
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
135) Puffin
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
136) Surgery for pituitary tumors
by Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
137) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
138) Re:
by "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
139) Re: Puffin
by JCirino@aol.com
140) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
141) Re:
by CBABTPC@aol.com
142) Re: Puffin
by CBABTPC@aol.com
143) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
144) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
145) Re:
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
146) Re: New Cushings Pet
by JCirino@aol.com
147) Re: Puffin
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
148) lugging the beds
by sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
149) Re: lugging the beds
by JCirino@aol.com
150) My we're a chatty bunch today...
by Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
151) Re: Puffin
by Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
152) Re: My we're a chatty bunch today...
by JCirino@aol.com
153) Re: Easing symptoms
by Glimpact@aol.com
154) Canine Cooler
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
155) Canine Bed Question
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
156) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
157) Canine Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
158) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
159) Re: Canine Cooler Bed
by CBABTPC@aol.com
160) Re: Easing symptoms
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
161) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
162) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
163) Re: Easing symptoms
by Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>
164) Re:
by "Linda Wargon" <mlwar@npcc.net>
165) Re: New Cushings Pet
by LCady@aol.com
166) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS digest 41 - Milk Thistle in Particular
by JANET BULLARD <janetb@ozemail.com.au>
167) Re: New Cushings Pet
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
168) Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
169) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
170) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by JCirino@aol.com
171) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
172) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by "John & Ann Cooper" <janda@iconz.co.nz>
173) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
174) Natural flea control
by Glimpact@aol.com
175) Canine Cooler Beds
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
176) Cooler Bed
by L Boyce <lboyce@warwick.net>
177) new to list
by Kim Osborn <jkosborn@napanet.net>
178) Re: new to list
by JCirino@aol.com
179) Re: Cooler Bed
by MFCROCKER1@aol.com
180) Re: Adrenal vs. Pituitary Cushings
by Danestuff@aol.com
181) Re: CUSHINGS-PETS digest 41 - Milk Thistle in Particular
by "David ROBERTS" <d_one_delta@email.msn.com>
182) Natural dog food
by Glimpact@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:18:30 -0400
From: write2tom@juno.com (Thomas D Johnston)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: stumbling Jesse
Message-ID: <19980713.071832.13950.17.Write2Tom@juno.com>
I was awakened last night by Uta's whimpering to find Jesse stumbling
around and acting very disoriented. I checked her BG and she was at 431,
one and one-half hour after feeding and her final injection of the day.
I
watched her for about an hour and at 1:15 AM called the vet. I met him
at the clinic and he drew blood and checked her out. Her adrenalin was so
high at the clinic that she appeared to make a liar of me, bouncing
around, barking, etc. As we were about to leave once again her back legs
began to give. Nothing physically wrong with her legs, eyes ok, pulse ok,
heart rate ok. When we got home I walked her for a few minutes and once
again she stumbled and staggered as if she were drunk. I will know
after 9 this morning what the blood works shows. Any comments? Oh, yes,
she did have her weekly lysodren dosage yesterday after having a bath and
clipping and along with her mid-day feeding.
She seems to be back to normal this morning (4 hours later).
Clues?
Tom, Jesse and Uta the Nurse Dog
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:01 -0600
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pixie
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tom i am so glad things are going better for pixie. its so scary to
battle these diseases and put our beloved pets through all the testing.
i know with my schip Tisza who has been diabetic and cushinoid for about
7 yrs i feel just terrible sometimes. i wish i could explain to her why
i have to leave her at the vet to be poked and prodded and leave her
home for a few days. when she was struggling to be regualted on her
insulin she went so often that she began pooping in the car out of fear.
good luck and i hope things continue to go well for pixie
meri
Tom Reighney wrote:
> snip>
> Pixie is a 10.5 year old Cocker/Peek mix. She was diagnosed with
> Cushing's Syndrome in May, 1998.
> end of her life. She had lost nearly 20% of her body weight. The vet
> gave her another cortisone and B complex injections and told us to
> reduce her medication to 500 mg/weekly. That was 2 weeks ago. Now she
is
> like a puppy!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:45:55 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Gretle the cushings/diabetic mini-dachshund never seems to get tired
of
carrots. She gets them cooked and cut up in the evening meal. I saw a
lot
of posts on the diabetic list where the pets were fed a lot of carrots.
I
have not heard of any problems yet?
Gretle stopped drinking water and now gets all of her water from eating
lettuce. She is on Anipryl. Anyone heard of this?
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan West <swok34@swbell.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 4:09 PM
Subject: Re:
>Randy:
>
> I am just going down to the amount you are feeding Sunny (1/4
can RD
and
>1/3 cup dry) though Pinetta won't eat dry RD so we use Pro-plans lite.
In
>addition, she gets 5/6 Science Diet Lite Treats a day. She still acts
like
>she's starving. After trying to get her to eat green beans, wax beans,
>cucumbers, lettuce, brocolli, cauliflower, dill pickles, tomatoes,
>mushrooms,,etc.........i had given up on a veggie filler......the vet
suggested
>carrots, BINGO, she loves them. Bought the small ones that are usually
used in
>stir-fried and cut them up raw and mix with food. She picks out the
carrots
>to eat first; so we may finally be on to something here. Like you,
her
weight
>loss has been minimal for the last 3 years she's been on the RD........she
is
>beginning to lose a little (thank god, no more gain) since been on Anipryl
the
>end of May.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with carrots? I asked the vet
if
she
>could have all she wanted........and she said absolutely.
>
>susan
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:58:21 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl, is that also a side
effect of what you were using? It is good to hear of Tisza doing so well
for so long and the success of getting regulated. It seems that you should
be telling us all how you did it.
chester
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From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>; muffin
<Majordomo@esosoft.com>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:40 AM
Subject: introduction
>hi
>i am new to the list and would like to introduce myself.
>i am the proud human of luke (5 mo old aussie, and tisza 13+ yr old
>schip).
>tisza was diagonsed diabetic and cushiod about 6 or 7 yrs ago. the
road
>to getting her regulated with the diabetes was a rough one. now 3 vets
>later she has been fairly stable for about 5 yrs. we have had our bouts
>with high bg, but for the most part she does well. she is now blind
and
>deaf as well. she gets 8 u of lily nph 2X daily.
>i am devoted to this little angel. her daughter was also diabetic but
>never diagnosed as cushinoid. she died about a month ago, it broke
our
>hearts.
>i am looking forward to learning more about how others handle the
>diseases, and finding ways to help tisza.
>
>meri
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:02:56 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Chester,
My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog on besides
the
carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This is all new
to
me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know that my
dog
has Cushings.
Joan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:28:51 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Gretle is on Hills Wd which is high fiber for the diabetes so her diet
will
be different than the pets with cushings only. I just went to a four meal
per day schedule to try to level out her blood sugar. she has been on
Anipryl since the end of February and I am getting worried that she may
need
a reduction but am still in the watching stage. I do not hear about anyone
reducing the Anipryl and wonder why.
chester
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From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>Chester,
>My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog on besides
the
>carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This is all
new
to
>me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know that
my dog
>has Cushings.
>Joan
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:01 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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In a message dated 98-07-13 10:30:24 EDT, you write:
<< I do not hear about anyone
reducing the Anipryl and wonder why. >>
Hi Chester,
Is the anipryl for diabetes also or just cushings. I thought the this drug
really has no bad side effects compared with others and maybe that is why
you
don't hear of any reductions in dosage. Since mine only has cushings, I
assumed it would be a lifelong med for him unless something else developed.
Joan
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:10 -0600
From: meri <meric@execpc.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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chester
hmmm i am not sure if deafness is a side effect of lysodren...does
anyone know, i figured it was old age. as far as success in getting her
regulated, i dont think i am doing anything different from all of u.
this is what i do
1. stayed with a vet i have faith in and shows concern and empathy for
the tisza's situation (and also had success in treatment) and listen to
everything they have to say, conference with them and stick to the plan
2. use a high quality food, which can be tricky when they are fussy
eaters
3. extreme limitations on treats, usually limited to when i give her
the insulin injections
4. fairly stable routine & exercise (when i got divorced and first
moved out she had diabetic seizures every month for half a year - she
was stressed too)
5. lots and lots and lots of love
she is my sweetie i would do anything for her. i almost lost her right
after her daughter died. she had a tooth infection which caused
everything to go kablooey, she had to go on iv's etc. but she recovered
well and is happy and healthy again.
meri
chester b. smith wrote:
>
> I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl, is that also a
side
> effect of what you were using? It is good to hear of Tisza doing so
well
> for so long and the success of getting regulated. It seems that you
should
> be telling us all how you did it.
> chester
> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:45 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Joan:
The diabetes is supposed to be a side effect of the cushings and a reduction
in the steroids caused by the cushings sometimes helps the diabetes but
Gretle is still having some problems. The Anipryl is only for the cushings
as a direct medication. The side effects for the Anipryl do appear to be
a
lot less than the other meds but the insert with the Anipryl does set out
some of them. Also there is not that much experience with the Anipryl so
I
am looking at a lot closer to see if anything new develops.
chester
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From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>In a message dated 98-07-13 10:30:24 EDT, you write:
>
><< I do not hear about anyone
> reducing the Anipryl and wonder why. >>
>
>Hi Chester,
>Is the anipryl for diabetes also or just cushings. I thought the this
drug
>really has no bad side effects compared with others and maybe that is
why
you
>don't hear of any reductions in dosage. Since mine only has cushings,
I
>assumed it would be a lifelong med for him unless something else developed.
>Joan
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:04:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription (fwd from Kathleen)
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:00:08 -0700
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
From: kathleen richards <kilty@tstonramp.com>
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
At 05:29 PM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
Animal
>Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because that
>medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
before
>they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very grudgingly
agreed
>to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about companies
>that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower cost than
>individual vets can.
etc. ...
>Susan (and Mugsy)
We had the same experience as several others who answered this. Ebony's
vets readily suggested we might be able to get certain things more cheaply
at a "people" pharmacy. In fact, for many years (over 6) she
was a
well-known patient/client at Gemmel Pharmacy here for her epilepsy and
other regular meds. The only meds she got from the vet were ones where
there was no human equivalent. We did get the Anipryl from the vet, but
we
were looking to switch that too (the dosage sizes were different for humans
and Ebony was a very small dog).
If you have *any* concerns about your vet not being there completely
for
you because of something like this, please make an appointment to talk with
him/her about your fears! A good vet would welcome the chance to clear
the
air. We had to do this when our vet and the vet he took in as a sort of
"partner" at one point started turning Ebony's care into some
sort of
competition. Good luck!
--
kathleen richards kilty@tstonramp.com
~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.~ -dire straits
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:09:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T. (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:10:24 -0400
From: Pat and Craig Coykendall <pccoyken@nac.net>
To: DFRS2@aol.com
CC: Muffin@esosoft.com, CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: [MUFFIN] Rosie - Need Quick Help 1:00 p.m. C.S.T.
DFRS2@aol.com wrote:
>
> Okay.....Here is what you are best at.....
>
> I need immediate advice if you wouldn't mind responding.
>
> We are all use to so many things going on with our pets, I by all means
do not
> want to panic and overact nor do I want to simplify this current issue
that
> has arised with Rosie...... So I am turning to my Muffin and Cushings
Pets
> list because I trust the level headed feedback always given.
>
> Saturday morning, my husband and I had to go out of town and our son
was
> working. No problem, because our son was perfectly capable of caring
for
> Rosie. However, it started when he came home from work. Rosie had
gone to
> the bathroom in the kitchen....1 and 2! This is out of character for
her
> since we have regulated her Cushings and Diabetes. Virtually no more
pu/pd.
> Then again Sunday. Our son left for work at 7:30 a.m.....we got home
at 12:00
> noon and Rosie had again gone to the bathroom again.
>
> I realize the above information can be simply behavorial but wanted
to mention
> them anyway. In these groups we sometimes have the strangest things
in
> common...if you know what I mean. The big concern is really about
the blood
> clots I saw in her urine today! I have called the emergency vet and
they are
> suggesting that I bring her in today and suggested I not wait until
tomorrow
> for my regular vet. Rosie appears to feel fine otherwise.
>
> I am depending on you guys for feedback. It seems I have read that
bladdar
> problems can cause blood to be present in urine, but need more info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Judy and Rosie (I don't know what all the fuss is....I feel fine!)
Judy,
A couple of years ago, just as my husband left the house for the
airport (wouldn't you know it), Brittany (DD, but not yet then), stood
up and there on the kitchen floor was a puddle of blood clotted urine.
Sorry to say, but I did panic and called the vet. The only thing they
had me do was bring in a urine sample which they sent out while also
doing an in hospital urinalysis which confirmed an infection. Later
test came back with dx of hemorraghic (sp) cyctitis. She was put on
antibiotics immediately on the basis of the in hospital test. She was
at the door hourly day and night for the next few days, though
strangely, she did not exhibit that behavior prior to the kitchen
"accident". I do recall she was going out more often, but I didn't
take
it as a cue for something medically wrong.(duh!) Anyway I would ask the
emergency vet if it would be ok and not potentially harmful to Rosie if
you could just run over a urine sample and not have to bring Rosie in.
Then tomorrow call your own vet with the results if it proves to be an
infection. If they see no bacteria on the slide, then get her over to
the emergency vet for an exam as that may indicate a more serious
porblem. Britt really didn't act sick either with the bloody urine so it
sounds very much like Rosie may have the same thing. BTW, I was behind
her with a cup during her illness to make sure that her urine was no
longer bloody. I would also clean her "bottom" with a wet paper
towel
each time she went out so she wouldn't become irritated by the urine and
blood.
Good luck and let all of us know how you made out.
Pat & Britt (Mom's chasing me around with that cup again!)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:59:45 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'Cushings listserv'" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Anipryl
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I met with Herbie's vet on Friday to pick up his first round of Anipryl
and to discuss the drug. I showed him a printout of an email from Susan
Gendon, where she gives price information from Lambriar. This actually
lead to a very informative conversation about deep-discount drugs.
My vet was very supportive of my efforts to find Anipryl at a lower
cost. In fact, he encouraged me! He said vets aren't in the business
of supplying drugs, so if you buy meds from a vet, you're no doubt going
to pay more. He encouraged me to call various pharmacies for price
quotes and to check out Lambriar.
He had a some words of caution he wanted me to pass on to all of you.
He said he recently attended an Internist convention and the topic of
deep-discount drug companies came up. There have been problems with
these companies compounding their drugs incorrectly. He said depending
on the drug, this can be dangerous and even life threatening. Another
problem is that some of these places buy their drugs from outside the
U.S. (they've especially had problems with drugs from Mexico). And
again, often these drugs are compounded incorrectly.
He said no matter where we buy the drugs, we need to make absolutely
sure that the drugs come in the original (manufacturer's) product
packaging!! He said if it comes in bottles similar to the way we get
some of our human medications, be very wary!!! This indicates that the
drug has been compounded. He said there is really no way to determine
if the drug's been compounded correctly, unless you take it to a lab to
be tested. Also, be wary of packaging that looks "official" but
is not
from the manufacturer!
Drugs you buy from vets should be safe. They buy their drugs from
reliable sources that DO compound correctly. He also said just because
there have been problems with several deep-discount companies, this does
not mean that every one of them is trying to rip us off. He just wants
us to be aware that this is an issue.
Anyway, now I need to know about Lambriar Animal Health Care. For those
of you who've bought Anipryl from them, does is come in packages from
the manufacturer (i.e., little white star-shaped pills that you punch
out of foil & plastic packages, and these packages are contained in
boxes)? Please let me know... I'd really like to order from them if
possible!
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:02:25 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'Cushings listserv'" <CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Generic Drugs
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Herbie's vet also shared some interesting news about generic drugs.
He
said the latest research shows that generic drugs are not well-tolerated
by dogs. He wanted me to ask if anyone on this list has used generic
drugs before, and if so, how did your pet tolerate it?
Thanks for your feedback!
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:53:25 -0700
From: Elizabeth Rubin <ehr@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re:
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<font size=3D3>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Does anyone have any experience
with=
carrots?=A0=A0 I
asked the vet if she<br>
>could have all she wanted........and she said absolutely.<br>
><br>
>susan<br>
> <br>
<br>
Yes Susan<br>
<br>
My little dogs love them. In fact, this is a very common teething treat
in the Brussells Griffon breed. I have been giving Gabby<br>
even more carrots since he has developed Cushings.....of course there is
still no weight loss.<br>
I also use the baby carrots...they are cold and moist right from the
Fridge and I think that might help cool him while meeting his appetite
needs.<br>
<br>
BTW, I started Gabby on Lysodren Thursday ... no horror stories...I want
to write to all whom have given me support with<br>
this..(when I get a moment from work)...Right now, thanks=20
everyone!!<br>
<br>
Elizabeth</font>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:17:21 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction Merri
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In a message dated 7/13/98 9:00:02 AM, you wrote:
>I noticed that deafness is a side effect of Anipryl,
Just a curious side note to this. I had noticed that deafness was noted
in the
literature as a side effect of Anipryl, but I was not overly concerned because
Targa seemed to be profoundly deaf already, prior to starting treatment.
(It
happened at the same time that she went blind and made everything doubly
difficult.) I was even on the deaf dogs list, trying to find some way to
communicate with a blind AND deaf dog.
Well, she is hearing again!! Quite well actually. It was sort of gradual-
we
noticed that she was hearing certain sounds, and now I can't even sneak
onto
the computer in the morning, because she hears" You've got mail!"
from her
sleeping spot in the next room, and immediately demands her food!
I suppose it is possible that it was a cognitive problem, rather than
an
organic one, and that the Anipryl has corrected it. In any case, it's been
much easier to help her navigate through life now that she can hear again.
Anne and Targa
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:38:15 EDT
From: DesignSue@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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In answer to your question about getting Anipryl from Lambriar, after
I
ordered it, it came directly from Pfizer, the drug manufacturer in the
original packaging. I was surprised that it did come direct from Pfizer,
but
that way there could hardly be any question about the drug's authenticity.
Hope this helps.
Susan G. and Spenser the poodle
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:55:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Glover <rglove19@idt.net>
To: CUSHINGS-PETS@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Lambriar and med
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You don't have to worry about Lambriar getting Anipryl from weird sources.
Lambriar
gets their Anipryl directly from Pfizer, the makers of Anipryl.
Jan Glover, Seattle, WA
Dudley, my Cushings dog
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Danielle Glover aka BoxFive
gloverdr@whitman.edu or boxfive@phantom.ml.org
www.whitman.edu/~gloverdr
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:06:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
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'Scuse me but I think your vet is wrong, wrong, wrong! My vet has his
receptionist call all over town to locate the cheapest price of
Anipryl for me. I go to the pharmacy of a local hospital and, thanks to
his intervention, pay $30/month, or around $1 per 10 mg. capsule.
As for diet, Sweetie is still on R/D, 1/4 can and 1/4 cup kibble twice
a
day, topped with yoghurt, several green beans, flaxseed oil and her many
pills wrapped in raw ground beef. She has gone from 32 lbs. to 25 lbs.
since January on this diet, which will need revising soon, as she's almost
stabilized at her appropriate weight.
Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8.5 yrs.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 Spot210@aol.com wrote:
> Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
Animal
> Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because
that
> medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
before
> they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very grudgingly
agreed
> to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about
companies
> that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower cost
than
> individual vets can.
>
> He really laid the guilt trip on me. I empathize with his situation,
but I
> told him that $100 a month to treat my dog indefinitely is really prohibitive
> for me. A rep from Lambriar assured me that they buy direct from the
> manufacturer.
>
> I guess I just wanted to share my experience with the forum. I felt
that I
> was doing the right thing for my pet--my vet even told me when my dog
was dx'd
> in November that I should look around for a better price, but when
I found the
> better price, he gave me a hard time! Any comments or thoughts on
this would
> be appreciated. I'm feeling pretty glum about the whole thing. I
don't want
> to be on the bad side of my vet when my dog is sick--I'd like to have
his
> support during these difficult days!
> Susan (and Mugsy)
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:16:23 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
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It wasn't clear to me what you were saying Susan's vet is wrong about.
Are you saying he's wrong to discourage her from finding a cheaper
source for Anipryl? If so, I agree.
--Shari and Herbie Peterson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Kellstedt [SMTP:jk@bradley.bradley.edu]
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 5:07 PM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Re: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
>
> 'Scuse me but I think your vet is wrong, wrong, wrong! My vet has his
> receptionist call all over town to locate the cheapest price of
> Anipryl for me. I go to the pharmacy of a local hospital and, thanks
> to
> his intervention, pay $30/month, or around $1 per 10 mg. capsule.
>
> As for diet, Sweetie is still on R/D, 1/4 can and 1/4 cup kibble twice
> a
> day, topped with yoghurt, several green beans, flaxseed oil and her
> many
> pills wrapped in raw ground beef. She has gone from 32 lbs. to 25 lbs.
> since January on this diet, which will need revising soon, as she's
> almost
> stabilized at her appropriate weight.
>
> Jenny & Sweetie, Tibetan Terrier, 8.5 yrs.
> jk@bradley.bradley.edu
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 Spot210@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Jan Glover wrote about a low-cost distributor for Anipryl (Lambriar
> Animal
> > Health Care). I was so thankful to learn of this company, because
> that
> > medication is so expensive. They require a prescription, naturally,
> before
> > they can dispense the meds, so I contacted my vet. He very
> grudgingly agreed
> > to write the scrip, but gave me an earful about his feelings about
> companies
> > that buy in mass quantity in order to sell product at a lower
cost
> than
> > individual vets can.
> >
> > He really laid the guilt trip on me. I empathize with his
> situation, but I
> > told him that $100 a month to treat my dog indefinitely is really
> prohibitive
> > for me. A rep from Lambriar assured me that they buy direct from
> the
> > manufacturer.
> >
> > I guess I just wanted to share my experience with the forum.
I felt
> that I
> > was doing the right thing for my pet--my vet even told me when
my
> dog was dx'd
> > in November that I should look around for a better price, but
when I
> found the
> > better price, he gave me a hard time! Any comments or thoughts
on
> this would
> > be appreciated. I'm feeling pretty glum about the whole thing.
I
> don't want
> > to be on the bad side of my vet when my dog is sick--I'd like
to
> have his
> > support during these difficult days!
> > Susan (and Mugsy)
> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:44:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
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Chester, Sweetie's Anipryl dosage went down from 15 to 10 mg. after she
had lost significant weight---from 32 lbs. to around 27 lbs. at that time
(now at 25 lbs.).
Is deafness definitively proved to be caused by Anipryl?
Jenny
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, chester b. smith wrote:
> Gretle is on Hills Wd which is high fiber for the diabetes so her
diet will
> be different than the pets with cushings only. I just went to a four
meal
> per day schedule to try to level out her blood sugar. she has been
on
> Anipryl since the end of February and I am getting worried that she
may need
> a reduction but am still in the watching stage. I do not hear about
anyone
> reducing the Anipryl and wonder why.
> chester
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JCirino@aol.com <JCirino@aol.com>
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
> Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: carrots - quit drinking water
>
>
> >Chester,
> >My dog is also on anipryl. What type of food/diet is your dog
on besides
> the
> >carrots that is. How long have you been using the anipryl? This
is all new
> to
> >me and curious about feeding a better diet. So far, I only know
that my dog
> >has Cushings.
> >Joan
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:55:43 -0500
From: Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Flea medications
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Hi everyone,
I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have to
stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him to
become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
immune systems?
Thanks for any advice!
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:27:33 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Pixie
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Welcome to TomR and Pixie. Its great that things are going well for
the
two of you. You didn't say if your vet has repeated the blood test
since Pixie has been on Lysodren. The decrease in symptoms is a good
indicator that the med. is working, but the blood tests to measure
cortisol production is important to make sure you are indeed at the
proper dosage. Also be careful when your dog "crashes"...it can
be very
dangerous if they get too much Lysodren. When this happens a little
Prednisone can be a life saver. You may already know this, but thought
I would mention it anyways. Anyways, I wish you continued success with
Pixie's treatment.
-- Liza and Boomer(almost 12 yo mini poodle, diagnosed 4/98)
Tom Reighney wrote:
>
> Pixie is a 10.5 year old Cocker/Peek mix. She was diagnosed with
> Cushing's Syndrome in May, 1998. We noticed a ravenous appetite, unusual
> water consumption, and what appeared to be muscle atrophy. Thinking
she
> might be diabetic we took her to the vet. The blood test was conclusive
> for Cushing's Syndrome. The Vet's words were, "She has Cushing's,
big
> time." All of the Cushing's indicators were very, very high.
>
> She had a 10 day therapeutic dose of Lysodren. Starting with 750 mg/day
> which was reduced to 500 mg/day after 4 days. After the 4th day of
> therapy she became extremely lethargic and refused all food. After
a
> cortisone injection and reduction of Lysodren to 500 mg/day, she seemed
> to be better, but her appetite was still very diminished. At or near
the
> 10th day of therapy she lost all appetite, refusing all food. She was
> loosing her hair and was very lethargic. We thought she was nearing
the
> end of her life. She had lost nearly 20% of her body weight. The vet
> gave her another cortisone and B complex injections and told us to
> reduce her medication to 500 mg/weekly. That was 2 weeks ago. Now she
is
> like a puppy! Full of energy, even playful and seems to be enjoying
life
> again (she even barks at my daughter's boyfriend). Her appetite is
> healthy, but not ravenous. We are watching her water consumption and
it
> is appropriate for a dog her age and weight and her stomach is not
as
> distended as before. The vet has asked us to give a twice-weekly update
> and seems pleased with her progress. I am pleased with our Vet's
> concern. They have been compassionate and very helpful to us in
> understanding and treating this disease. We live in a rural area in
> Southwest Louisiana and think Pixie is getting good medical care.
>
> Perhaps we have accidentally hit on the correct therapeutic dosage.
> Pixie seems to have made a remarkable recovery, although, we are aware
> this may be temporary. I've read of others whose pets "crashed"
after 4
> or so days of Lysodren. Has anyone had a similar experience?
>
> Thanks
> TomR
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:37:32 -0400
From: Liza Klosterman <gatorpoo@mediaone.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: introduction
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Hi Meri,
How wonderful that you have had so many wonderful years with Tiszu
since her diagnosis. It gives me hope that my Boomer will be with me
for some years to come! Glad to have a "veteran" on the list.
-- Liza and BOomer
meri wrote:
>
> hi
> i am new to the list and would like to introduce myself.
> i am the proud human of luke (5 mo old aussie, and tisza 13+ yr old
> schip).
> tisza was diagonsed diabetic and cushiod about 6 or 7 yrs ago.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:10:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jenny Kellstedt <jk@bradley.bradley.edu>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'" <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Veterinarian and Anipryl Prescription
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Yes, vet is obviously wrong to discourage her from trying to obtain the
medication at a decent price, if it's the Pfizer Anipryl. Now I am
concerned that I am NOT receiving the Pfizer brand so that's a different
story.
jk@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:23:15 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
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Tom R:
Glad to hear Pixie is pulling through and becoming regulated on Lysodren.
I
have a lab, Rosie, diagnosed in March of this year. She is diabetic also
and
is now regulated and on 575 MG of Lysodren per week in two doses. One 300
mg
and one 275 mg every Tuesday and Friday. This appears to be a good level
for
her. Rosie took the load in dose well and has virtually no problems with
Lysodren at all. I hope Pixie does the same. Good luck!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:35:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:30 EDT
From: DFRS2@aol.com
To: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
Subject: Re: Rosie Update
First of all, I would like to thank all of you who responded to my plea
for
help yesterday. The response was wonderful.
This a.m. I took a urine specimen into the vet for them to run a urine
check
and at noon my son went by to check with them and sure enough, she had a
bladder infection. The vet prescribed some antibiotics for her to take
3X per
day for 2 wks. He also wanted to change her food, but stuborn me said no
to
that. I felt that was somewhat of an over-reaction on his part.
This was Rosie's first bladder infection since she became ill in March
and you
all know how difficult it is at times to regulate their food and meds
especially with Cushing's and Diabetes. I told him I could understand a
food
change if she had experienced even two or three bladder infections, but
not
just for one. The fact that I had just purchased another case of WD might
have swayed my opinion a little.
Anyway, Rosie still appears to feel fine and no messes in the house today.
Hopefully the medication will not mess up her regulation of Lysodren or
insulin. She has been doing so well in both of these areas.
I will keep you posted on her progress and again thanks to everyone who
was
able to respond....even if they couldn't help....it was nice to know there
are
so many caring people out there. God Bless you all!
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:27:09 -0700
From: Linda Wroth <lwroth@ix.netcom.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Bloat and Cushing's?
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My cushinoid Akita, Sam, bloated last night (and survived!). Akitas are
one of the breeds more prone to bloat, but I asked my vet if she thought
there could be any connection between the bloat and the fact that Sam
had taken her 250mg Lysodren pill with her evening meal. She thought
not, and I was far too embarrassed and upset to tell her I wasn't even
sure Sam got the pill because I was on the phone :-(. I'd put the
Lysodren in her kibble, then got distracted, and didn't know if Sam ate
it or if one of the others came along to clean up the leftovers and got
the pill.
Does anyone else have a cushinoid dog who's bloated?
Sam only had a partial torse that corrected itself so we decided not
to
have surgery as it was the middle of the night and difficult to get the
right situation for her (good surgeon, 24-hr monitoring). There were
some interesting precautions the vet took once she knew Sam had
Cushing's: she didn't pierce the swelling with a needle to let out the
air because of a Cushing's dog's tendency toward infection. There was a
chance stomach fluids might have gone into the abdominal cavity and
caused peritonitis. She also didn't try to pass a tube down Sam's throat
to let the air out of her stomach until Sam was anesthetized as she was
worried about Sam's getting aspiration (?inhalation) pneumonia. The vet
also checked carefully about Sam's previous reactions to anesthesia
because of her age and the fact that she has fibrotic lungs.
Anyway, she's doing fine; you'd never know anything happened to her
except for the shaved place on her leg for the IV catheter. Her father
and sister died after bloating and torsing, so I feel very fortunate I
was able to catch this in time.
Linda Wroth Richmond, CA lwroth@ix.netcom.com
Sam, 11-11/12-yr-old Akita, diagnosed 3/98 (pituitary),
on 750 mg Lysodren weekly
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:45:09 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: easing symptoms
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While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long and
so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During the
evening
she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and we
go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
about 2am.
I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it 17
days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is, is
there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've been
thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
this?
Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all this
before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when my
Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions. So,
what do you think?
Thanks
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:06:10 EDT
From: JCirino@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: easing symptoms
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Sandy,
With my dog, we are now on our 7week of anipryl and I just started to see
change within the 6th week so it does take a while to effect. Differently
with
each dog I would imagine. My dog has only cushings at the moment and my
vet
does not want to restrict his water intake in anyway which we don't. I find
now that the medicine is taking effect, it is regulating itself. Food wise,
I
feed him early in the morning and basically thats his main meal for the
day.
He may get a little something at supper time but nothing major. This seems
to
work for us on keeping down accidents in the house and works for him as
well.
Joan
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:07:37 EDT
From: CBABTPC@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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Judy,
Good to hear that Rosie is on the mend! I'm sure with the antibiotics
that she
will feel better very soon now
Anne and Targa
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:01:04 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Flea medications
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We used limonene (or something like that) based shampoos. You sometimes
need
two or three passes a few days apart. For the yard, I hit it with Dursban
once
a year, followed by a pass about 10 days later with Torus, an IGR. For
the
interior, there is a new product out that is both a low residue insecticide
and
an IGR. We've continued this treatment plan with Toby and Bonnie since
it
worked so well and is not very intrusive.
I'll post the name of the indoor product tomorrow. It's available here
in
Austin through Self-Chem, a place all new homeowners should check out.
:-)
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:07:49 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Flea medications
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Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and won't
wash off if they get wet.
Doreen
Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
Subject: Flea medications
Hi everyone,
I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have to
stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him to
become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
immune systems?
Thanks for any advice!
Sandy and Vincent
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:23:50 -0400
From: "chester b. smith" <chesterb@penn.com>
To: <cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
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Judy:
Why did the vet want to change the food? Gretle has been having stomach
upsets the last few days and I am wondering if it is the WD.
chester
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Lawson <lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Rosie Update (fwd)
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:30 EDT
>From: DFRS2@aol.com
>To: lolawson@uts.cc.utexas.edu, Muffin@esosoft.com
>Subject: Re: Rosie Update
>
>First of all, I would like to thank all of you who responded to my plea
for
>help yesterday. The response was wonderful.
>
>This a.m. I took a urine specimen into the vet for them to run a urine
check
>and at noon my son went by to check with them and sure enough, she had
a
>bladder infection. The vet prescribed some antibiotics for her to take
3X
per
>day for 2 wks. He also wanted to change her food, but stuborn me said
no
to
>that. I felt that was somewhat of an over-reaction on his part.
>
>This was Rosie's first bladder infection since she became ill in March
and
you
>all know how difficult it is at times to regulate their food and meds
>especially with Cushing's and Diabetes. I told him I could understand
a
food
>change if she had experienced even two or three bladder infections,
but not
>just for one. The fact that I had just purchased another case of WD
might
>have swayed my opinion a little.
>
>Anyway, Rosie still appears to feel fine and no messes in the house
today.
>Hopefully the medication will not mess up her regulation of Lysodren
or
>insulin. She has been doing so well in both of these areas.
>
>I will keep you posted on her progress and again thanks to everyone
who was
>able to respond....even if they couldn't help....it was nice to know
there
are
>so many caring people out there. God Bless you all!
>
>Judy and Rosie
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:58:48 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
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>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
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> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there is no
real
> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog on
> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put off
by any
> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us, since
> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more toxins
to
> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us that
> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline could
be
> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned about
> using it every month (an every other month would be better for
a
> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
> there was no need for Frontline.
>
> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the occasional
> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>
> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an indoor
kitty
> never goes outside.
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>
>
>
>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and
won't
>wash off if they get wet.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have
to
>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him
to
>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>immune systems?
>Thanks for any advice!
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:02:33 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: easing symptoms
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> HELLO -- THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> You only have to go out once a night. We have been taking Sunny
out
>every night for the past *can't remember how long its been* year maybe
at
least
>twice a night. We go to bed about 10:30 (took her out at about 9:45),
she
gets
>up to go out at between 11:30 and 1:00, then again at between 2:00 and
3:30. I
>normally get up at 5:30 for work, so I take her out between 6:00 and
6:20ish.
>Our Sunny drinks a total of 26-39 ounces of water a day everyday and
has been
>doing so for close to 4 months now. She used to drink between 18-28
ounces
>everyday, so the night time wants-to-go-out has recently gotten worse.
We
have
>accidents in the house at least twice while we are at work, however,
we don't
>mind them. We realize she can't help it. We have nearly worn out some
carpets
>from washing them. However, as I said before we have recently started
covering
>human incontency pads with newspaper to *fool* Sunny into peeing on
the
pads so
>the floor doesn't get ruined. We have hardwood floors. However, don't
get me
>wrong I wouldn't care if they did get spotted -- it can be refinished
later.
>
>Sunny is more important now. Quality of life is more important than
worldly
>things. How she lives now is the most important thing in our lives.
She
seems
>to be coping fine. There are days when we worry more, but that's what
parents
>are supposed to do. She goes in this Friday for a ACTH Stim test.
So, we
will
>see how she is doing after this Friday, 17 July, and will tell everyone
on
>Monday.
>
>Sunny sends woofs and licks to all her cousin furbabies out there and
her Mum
>and Dad send hugs to the babies and Pats on the Backs to all the other
Mums
and
>Dads out there.
>
>THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: easing symptoms
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 7:45 AM
>
>
>While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
>is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
>all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long
and
>so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During
the evening
>she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
>Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and
we
>go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
>for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
>about 2am.
>
>I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it 17
>days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is,
is
>there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've been
>thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
>panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
>this?
>
>Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all this
>before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when
my
>Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions.
So,
>what do you think?
>
>Thanks
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:13:57 -0400
From: Doreen_A_Osborne@tivoli.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
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Well, I guess that I have seen some pretty hardy fleas. I took Kelso
to a
friend's house last Thanksgiving not knowing that she had fleas in her
house. Kelso had been on lysodren for about 4 months at the time and we
came home with fleas. I treated right away with Frontline to get rid of
them.
Doreen
Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> on 07/14/98 10:58:48 AM
Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0500
>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
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> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>
> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there is no
real
> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog on
> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put off
by
any
> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us, since
> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more toxins
to
> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us that
> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline could
be
> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned about
> using it every month (an every other month would be better for
a
> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
> there was no need for Frontline.
>
> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the occasional
> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>
> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an indoor
kitty
> never goes outside.
>
> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>
>
>
>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once a
month
>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks and
won't
>wash off if they get wet.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43 PM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people
>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we have
to
>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want him
to
>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>immune systems?
>Thanks for any advice!
>Sandy and Vincent
>
>
>
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The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:07 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flea medications
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What I think Randy was trying to say is that when a pup has been on LYSODREN
for a period of time and in great dosage the fleas will not live on the
body, we this weekend found a stray kitten in our back garden and of course
brought it into the house and bathed it, she was six weeks old and FULL
OF
FLEAS, we doctored her and took her to the vets for adoption as we could
not
keep her, NO FLEAS ON SUNNY, she is on a dosage of 500mg x 3 per week
for
several weeks now, the vet also has a Cushings Pup. Jackie, Randy's Wife
and
Sunny's mother.
At 11:13 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Well, I guess that I have seen some pretty hardy fleas. I took Kelso
to a
>friend's house last Thanksgiving not knowing that she had fleas in her
>house. Kelso had been on lysodren for about 4 months at the time and
we
>came home with fleas. I treated right away with Frontline to get rid
of
>them.
>
>Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu> on 07/14/98 10:58:48 AM
>
>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>
>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>
>
>
>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0500
>>From: SINIARD-RC@redstone.army.mil (SINIARD-RC)
>>To: siniardj@email.uah.edu
>>Subject: Re[2]: Flea medications
>>
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>> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>>
>> Our Local vet told us if the dog is on Lysodren that there
is no real
>> reason to worry about fleas. A flea that could live on a dog
on
>> Lysodren would be a *very hearty* flea and would not be put
off by
>any
>> other flea preventitive on the market. It made sense to us,
since
>> Lysodren is basically a *chemo* drug anyway. Why add more
toxins to
>> an already toxic drug. However, the vet at Auburn told us
that
>> Advantage is a good flea preventitive to use and Frontline
could be
>> used for flea and tick preventitive. However, they cautioned
about
>> using it every month (an every other month would be better
for a
>> Cushing's pup). They did say that unless we lived near a wooded
area
>> there was no need for Frontline.
>>
>> We have not used any flea preventitive on Sunny except the
occasional
>> spray when she has been around other animals. That is to keep
them
>> from infesting Saphir, Sunny's Cat-Sister.
>>
>> We are going to begin using Advantage on Saphir as she is an
indoor
>kitty
>> never goes outside.
>>
>> THIS MESSAGE IS FROM RANDY (SUNNY's DADDY) ONLY.
>>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>>Subject: Re: Flea medications
>>Author: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu at INTERNET
>>Date: 7/14/98 9:07 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Kelso is extremely allergic to fleas and I am using Frontline once
a month
>>with him without any problems. It controls both fleas and ticks
and won't
>>wash off if they get wet.
>>
>>Doreen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Sandy Hempe <dogdazed@sprintmail.com> on 07/13/98 07:55:43
PM
>>
>>Please respond to cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>>
>>To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
>>cc: (bcc: Doreen A Osborne/Tivoli Systems)
>>Subject: Flea medications
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>I know this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what
people
>>are doing about fleas with their Cush-dogs. I haven't given Vincent
>>anything yet this year and he hasn't gotten fleas so far, but we
have to
>>stay in a semi flea-infested house this weekend, and I don't want
him to
>>become infested too. What's safe for our dogs with their weakened
>>immune systems?
>>Thanks for any advice!
>>Sandy and Vincent
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>Jacqueline P. Siniard
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>The University of Alabama in Huntsville
>Materials Science Building Room C206
>Huntsville, Alabama 35899
>ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:16:57 EDT
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Susan: I agree with you that when a dog has to hold urine during the
day it
could contribute to bladder infections. Some times I am able to come home,
like today, but that is not always possible. Also, we have a really nice
backyard, even a dogrun, but in Texas we are on our 10th day in a row over
100
degrees so as you can see, we are over the purverbial barrel here. Oh well,
we can only do what we can do.
The daily puzzle continues. Thanks for your response. It will be interesting
to see what everyone else comes up with on this subject.
Judy and Rosie
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Chester:
They said it was less something.......actually I kind of cut them off.
Rosie
at one time was on R/D to lose weight. This was before she was diagnosed
with
Cushing's. Well the R/D appeared to cause her to leak urine and the vet
said
she had crystal's in her urine so........he put her on W/D to lessen the
crystals. I am becoming a little cynical over all this by now. My guess
is
they just came out with another food and sales are low.....just kidding!
I am just being stubborn and don't want to change Rosie right now. Sorry
I
can't answer your question any better. Next time I talk to the vet I will
check out this subject more thoroughly for you, Ches. As far a W/D goes.
It
has worked great for Rosie and she loves it. The canned that is.....without
the canned I think I would have a hard time getting her to eat the dry.
Surely she is not spoiled or anything like that.....
Later.
Judy and Rosie
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:37:43 -0500
From: Miner <marcia@nortexinfo.net>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Sandy Mannix wrote:
>
> While Puffin and I are waiting for Anipryl to take effect, poor Puffin
> is having such a hard time, especially after we go to bed. She sleeps
> all day while I'm at work, drinks about 8 oz. of water all day long
and
> so far has only had one "accident" during the day. During
the evening
> she drinks another 8-10 oz. water, and eats about 1/3 of her dinner.
> Then about 9 pm she finishes dinner, drinks another 4 oz. or so and
we
> go to bed around 10:30. Then it starts. Almost non-stop panting, begging
> for water every 1.5 hours and the past 2 nights, asking to go out at
> about 2am.
>
> I know it takes time for Anipryl to take effect - she's been on it
17
> days now after having been on Lysodren for 2 years - my question is,
is
> there anything else I can do to relieve some of her symptoms? I've
been
> thinking about taking up her food at about 7pm because it seems the
> panting and drinking really start up after eating. Anybody else notice
> this?
>
> Meanwhile, I'm trying to stay awake at work. I've been through all
this
> before when she first was diagnosed and for 3 years before that when
my
> Basenji had Addison's, but I never had all you guys for suggestions.
So,
> what do you think?
>
> Thanks
> Sandy & Puffin
Hi Sandy, I went and bought Springer a (good) fan (Wal Mart), for her
panting. She loves it. I keep it on med and it cools the whole "DOG"
room. The panting has slowed way down. She is a Brittany Spaniel
Good luck
Marcia and the girls in Valley View, TX
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:59:37 -0500
From: sandy.mannix@tradepress.com (Sandy Mannix)
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Puffin's panting
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I've noticed that Puffin's been laying on the linoleum more than ever
before instead of sleeping on the carpet in the living room. At first I
thought it was a bit of a personality change but now I know she's just
trying to keep cool. I do keep the central air at 70 day and night - the
electric co. hates me, but she needs it cool and so do I! I'll try a fan
in the bedroom tonight. Whatever it takes to make her comfortable.
Sandy & Puffin
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:34:42 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Puffin's panting
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Hi Sandy and Puffin, Sunny is the same, we keep our house at 75 because
the
kitty kitty does not like it cold, but we do sleep with out fan on in our
bedroom and Sunny starts off with us in the middle of the bed at the top
between us then she moves on the outside down the bed under the fan. We
have ordered one of the beds for her to see if that helps, we hope so, her
little body gets so hot bless her. Love to Puffin. Jackie, Randy, Sunny,
Saphir (Cat Friend) and of course our much missed and beloved Sadie at
Rainbow Bridge.
At 12:59 PM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I've noticed that Puffin's been laying on the linoleum more than ever
>before instead of sleeping on the carpet in the living room. At first
I
>thought it was a bit of a personality change but now I know she's just
>trying to keep cool. I do keep the central air at 70 day and night -
the
>electric co. hates me, but she needs it cool and so do I! I'll try a
fan
>in the bedroom tonight. Whatever it takes to make her comfortable.
>
>Sandy & Puffin
>
>
Love doesn't make the world go 'round: love is what makes the ride
worthwhile. - Franklin Jones
Jacqueline P. Siniard
Staff Assistant, Graduate Studies
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Materials Science Building Room C206
Huntsville, Alabama 35899
ph: 205-890-6002 Fax:205-890-6349
e-mail: siniardj@email.uah.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:38:26 -0400
From: Joan Shirokey <c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Intro/We lost the battle
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I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been monitoring
this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
She eventually began to eat again and became
her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
stroke two weeks ago,
but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
..... she had seen better days.
Let me back up and give some history.
She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
He finally suggested
I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His colleague
recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was borderline
high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost her
immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin specialist.
The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
(environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new vet
who instantly
mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
result (11/97).
The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently and
the panting
was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really bounced
back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
She was her old self again and was eating
although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
We were coping.
As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin problems
would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief any
quicker.
Was the arthritis and weakness
in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as I
heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She lived
a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
(due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already overdue).
The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
(no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
(she was never quite the same after that).
She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and went
back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
at this point)
and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
life to?
Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
table scraps, esp. Mom's chicken and rice soup).
This sight has been very educational for me. I tried many of the things
I've read from all of you along the way. The distilled water (but she
wouldn't touch it), the vitamin K.....
And I was just about to order a
Canine Cooler (or make my own) when the inevitable occurred.
A Thank You to everyone for your advice, info, support and
concern(s).
Joan and her late companion, Precious.
* * * * * * * * * *
What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
I can please only one person per day.
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:51 -0700
From: Shari Peterson <ShariPe@Attachmate.com>
To: "'cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu'"
<cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: Intro/We lost the battle
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What a touching email. I am sitting at my desk crying right now!!
Thanks for sharing this with us.
Shari and Herbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joan Shirokey [SMTP:c.shirokey@csu-e.csuohio.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:38 AM
> To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
> Subject: Intro/We lost the battle
>
>
> I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been
> monitoring
> this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
> mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
>
> She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
> day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
> nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
> She eventually began to eat again and became
> her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
>
> stroke two weeks ago,
> but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
> arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
> ..... she had seen better days.
>
> Let me back up and give some history.
> She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
> One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
>
> He finally suggested
> I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His
> colleague
> recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was
borderline
>
> high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost
her
> immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin
> specialist.
> The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
> (environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
> treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
> My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new
vet who
> instantly
> mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
> result (11/97).
> The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently
and the
> panting
> was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
>
> Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
> reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really
> bounced
> back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
>
> She was her old self again and was eating
> although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
> We were coping.
>
> As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin
> problems
> would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
> time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief
> any
> quicker.
> Was the arthritis and weakness
> in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as
I
> heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She
> lived
> a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
> and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
> (due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
> This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
> but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already
> overdue).
> The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
> going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
> up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
> (no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
> and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
> (she was never quite the same after that).
> She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
> stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and
> went
> back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
> the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
> She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
> to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
> at this point)
> and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
> A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
>
> If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
> life to?
> Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
> table scraps, esp. Mom's chicken and rice soup).
>
> This sight has been very educational for me. I tried many of the
> things
> I've read from all of you along the way. The distilled water (but
she
> wouldn't touch it), the vitamin K.....
> And I was just about to order a
> Canine Cooler (or make my own) when the inevitable occurred.
> A Thank You to everyone for your advice, info, support and
> concern(s).
>
> Joan and her late companion, Precious.
> * * * * * * * * * *
>
> What hair color do they put on the driver's licenses of bald men?
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> I can please only one person per day.
> Today is not your day.
> Tomorrow isn't looking good either.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:11:13 EDT
From: Glimpact@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Strengthening the immune system with vitamins
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I just visited this vet and here's some info in his pamphlet that you
might
want to research further:
"The past decade has introduced the concept that nutrition and nutritional
supplements have positive effects on the mammalian immune systems. Some
of
the nutrients that have been credited with this ability are vitamins C,
E and
A, minerals selenium, magnesium and zinc. Research in Ireland has established
the role of Vitamin C in the increased production on T cells, the target
of
most viruses. These nutrients will also enhance antibody production.
Your pet's immune system can be adversely effected by any environmental
exposure that stresses the body. These stresses are abundant and can involve
the food that is consumed. Pharmaceuticals, steroids, antibiotics, chemicals
such as herbicides and preservatives found in commercial pet foods, second-
hand tobacco smoke and pregnancies are all immunosuppressives."
Apparently, this vet's product called Mega C Plus "acts as a natural
immune
enhancer, reducing stress and related nutrient losses."
Also, his research back in the late 1970's highlighted the usage of
intravenous vitamin C to stop life-threatening bleeding pet diseases and
to
combat hip dysplasia, kennel cough, feline leukemia, distemper and feline
lower urinary tract disease.
Of course, he says that you should speak to your own vet about this
information before putting any animal on supplements, since each pet's
requirements and weaknesses are specific to their own body.
Dr. Wendell Belfield
408-227-9334
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:17:45 -0500
From: "Dillon Pyron" <dillon.pyron@amd.com>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
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Joan, so sorry to hear about losing Precious. She sounds like another
of the
many hard fighters we've had in this group. Our love to you, I'm sure Ivan
and
many others were waiting to play.
--
dillon pyron
dillon.pyron@amd.com
Happy Trails, to you, until we meet again.
-Roy Rogers
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:36:08 EDT
From: Danestuff@aol.com
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan,
Thanks for sharing Precious's story. It hurts so much to lose
them, even when you know they are happier now at the Bridge,
where they're not in pain anymore.
Everyone on the list shares your grief.
Jackie
A poem for you and Precious:
Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain,
I am the gentle Autumn rain.
When you awake in the mornings hush
I am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there; I did not die.
--Author unknown.
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:43:53 -0700
From: Marge Gagliardi <anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan: Though I don't post, I read all posts from this list. My thoughts
and prayers are with you. I know soon, our precious Jude(diagnosed
5/97), will be playing with Precious at the Rainbow Bridge. We're hoping
to celebrate his 14th birthday on the 29th.
Marge - anahab@ridgecrest.ca.us
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:50:35 -0500
From: Jackie Siniard <siniardj@email.uah.edu>
To: cushings-pets@mcfeeley.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Re: Intro/We lost the battle
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Joan, thank you for sharing this with us, I hope precious is having a
wonderful time at "Rainbow Bridge" I know she is, my prayers are
with you at
this lonely time in your life, it is never easy to let go. Love to you,
Jackie and Family
At 02:38 PM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I'm new to this part where I actually respond, but I've been monitoring
>this site since November when my, then 16 year old, Akita/St. Bernard
>mix was diagnosed with Cushings.
>
>She was put on Lysodren, but had a severe reaction by the 10th
>day. I thought we were going to lose her then. I decided to let
>nature take its course (due to her incredible age).
>She eventually began to eat again and became
>her old self again (reasonable so). She suffered and survived a minor
>stroke two weeks ago,
>but I decided to have her put down. She was suffering with
>arthritis, the weak legs, tumors, skin problems, deafness & cataracts,
>..... she had seen better days.
>
>Let me back up and give some history.
>She's had minor skin problems for the past seven years.
>One vet treated her with antibiotics (LONG-term) and prednisone (sp?)
>He finally suggested
>I see a colleague of his with an interest in skin ailments. His colleague
>recommended the same treatment but did find "Precious" was
borderline
>high for thyroid. We also began administering injections to boost her
>immune system. Finally, the vet suggested we see to a skin specialist.
>The specialist took blood and did tests and we found no allergies
>(environmental or food). Nothing new was discovered and the
>treatment(s) didn't change (although my bank account lessened).
>My "main" vet left that practice and I was assigned a new
vet who instantly
>mentioned/recognized Cushing's. We did the tests and had a positive
>result (11/97).
>The intense thirst and desire to "piddle" outside frequently
and the panting
>was overlooked by all the other vets. They attributed it to aging.
>
>Anyway, in her prime she was 110 lbs. After the Lysodren, she was
>reduced to 75. She lost another 10 lbs. since, even though she really
bounced
>back after the holidays. The frequency of the urination was reduced.
>She was her old self again and was eating
>although tumors (benign) were appearing on the outside of her body.
>We were coping.
>
>As I reflect on the years that have passed, I know all of her skin problems
>would have dissappeared on their own. They always did. It only took
>time to heal; the prednisone and anti-biotics didn't bring any relief
any
>quicker.
>Was the arthritis and weakness
>in the hind legs and the thirst/urniation problems due to old age as
I
>heard so often. Probably not. But nothing can be done now? She lived
>a good, LONG life (and I miss her dearly--I'm teary-eyed now),
>and she was a survivor until the end. I changed vets again in Feb.,
>(due to a location change) when the tumors began to appear.
>This vet didn't believe she was Cushionoid,
>but I wouldn't allow any more tests (nature's call was already overdue).
>The latest vet called her an Energizer bunny--how she kept going and
>going and going. Even on that final day of the stroke, she woke me
>up to let me know something was wrong and had me take her out
>(no accidents). By the way, I had been using slings to get her up
>and to go up and down the stairs since the Lysodren
>(she was never quite the same after that).
>She was lying comfortably in the back yard on that day, after that
>stroke in the AM. I was sobbing when the stroke was confirmed and went
>back into my house to get my car/house keys for that final ride in
>the car. I went to my car to unlock it to make things easier.
>She heard the keys or saw me walking towards the car and she got up
>to follow me (or attempted to--she was paralyzed on her right side
>at this point)
>and she tried to reach the car and take a ride like we did everyday.
>A valiant effort! What a girl she was. I had her half of my life.
>
>If you're wondering what I attribute her long and <mostly> healthy
life to?
>Purina Dog Chows and Lake Erie (Cleveland) water (and
>table scraps, esp. Mom's ch